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17. AHSA versus the Gallia County Gun Club
Supporter details Obamas stance on hunting rights
Thats right. American Hunters and Shooters Association President Ray Schoenke conducted a two-day tour across Ohio Tuesday and Wednesday, stopping at the Gallia County Gun Club yesterday to confirm Democratic nominee Barack Obamas support for the rights of hunters and sportsmen.

The AHSA is a non-partisan, gun rights organization and an alternative to the National Rifle Association. The organization aims to protect sporting heritage and hunting and fishing conservation, while promoting gun safety.

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We need to communicate this message to gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama, Saxbe said. Were very thankful for much of what the NRA has done, but theyve made their choice in this race to support John McCain and unfortunately some of the things being said by the candidates and people supporting the candidates are just not true, and thats why were here.

The three men mainly pushed the message that those who dont want to vote for Obama should not, but if they dont want to vote for him because they think he will take their guns, then they should rethink that decision because no one is going to take away the right to legally bear arms.


Guest VIEW: Clarifying the position of gun club, NRA
The so-called member of the Gallia County Gun Club, Mr. George Myers, was a member about two years ago, but according to the clubs secretary, he was dropped as a member in good standing for failure to pay his dues, and for violation of club rules. In my opinion this article was nothing more than a political stunt from a group that nobody heard of, and is less than two years old compared to the NRA that has been protecting our Second Amendment rights for over a 137 years.

American Hunters and Shooters Association: The Ultimate in Political Camouflage in an effort to mislead and divide the gun-owning community and to dilute gun owners' political impact. Anti-gun activities want to ensure that 1994 and 2000 never happen again. To achieve their goals, they have created new organizations with names designed to confuse gun owners and hide the real agenda. The American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA) is one of those groups.

AHSA was created with the specific intent to provide political cover for anti-gun politicians by allowing them to claim support from a sportsmans group. In truth, the anti-gun credentials of AHSA president Ray Schoenke has a long history of giving political donations to some of the most anti-gun politicians, including Al Gore, John Kerry, Barbara Boxer, Bill Clinton, Dianne Feinstein and Ted Kennedy.

In 2000, Schoenke donated $5,000 to Handgun Control Inc. (now the Brady Campaign) and the Ray and Holly Schoenke Foundation also made donations to the Brady Campaign. AHSA board member John Rosenthal remains the leader of Stop Handgun Violence, the Massachusetts anti-gun group. One of the leading organizers of AHSA is Bob Ricker, who has been a paid expert witness against gun manufacturers in a number of reckless lawsuits. (For more information, see Anti-Gunners Don Camo as Elections Loom).

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  -AHSA's Ray Schoenke on semi-automatics (Interesting!) derby378  Oct-17-08 10:40 AM   #0 
  - Very interesting,  WWFZD   Oct-17-08 06:30 PM   #1 
  - interesting indeed  bossy22   Oct-17-08 06:37 PM   #2 
  - Not pointless legislation  Howzit   Oct-17-08 08:18 PM   #3 
  - The AHSA is correct, McCain and Bush were wrong for endorsing the AWB and so is Obama.  aikoaiko   Oct-18-08 07:02 AM   #4 
  - ASHA needs to shout this from the rooftops.  benEzra   Oct-18-08 08:13 AM   #5 
  - john rosenthal  bossy22   Oct-18-08 10:11 AM   #6 
     - He resigned in 2007 because his continued involvement with gun-ban organizations  benEzra   Oct-18-08 07:37 PM   #13 
        - ohh i didnt know that  bossy22   Oct-18-08 08:16 PM   #19 
  - Biden says he would not restrict gun ownership but promises to renew AWB  jody   Oct-18-08 11:12 AM   #7 
  - promises?  bossy22   Oct-18-08 11:50 AM   #8 
     - here is an interesting report on this similar thing in the california progress report  bossy22   Oct-18-08 12:06 PM   #9 
     - Obama's bill S.2237 renews the AWB. If that's not a promise, I don't what is. n/t  jody   Oct-18-08 12:14 PM   #10 
        - and if it is a promise  bossy22   Oct-18-08 12:20 PM   #11 
           - that doesnt mean  bossy22   Oct-18-08 01:17 PM   #12 
           - Biden seems to be under the mistaken impressions  benEzra   Oct-18-08 07:40 PM   #14 
              - I agree. I would like to discuss RKBA and the several aspects, e.g. AWB, CCW, with Obama and Biden.  jody   Oct-18-08 08:15 PM   #18 
              - I wonder whether he's under the quite understandable impression  iverglas   Oct-20-08 11:57 AM   #29 
                 - In a 1950's Field and Stream paradigm of the U.S shooting sports, perhaps.  benEzra   Oct-20-08 10:17 PM   #32 
                    - Your numbers are reasonable. Don't forget trap. n/t  jody   Oct-21-08 10:18 AM   #34 
                    - The NSSA lumped trap with skeet, as I recall.  benEzra   Oct-21-08 10:40 AM   #35 
                       - OK, NSSA and NSCA are a joint organization and ATA is separate. n/t  jody   Oct-22-08 07:09 AM   #53 
                    - "Do the math."  iverglas   Oct-21-08 10:41 AM   #36 
                       - And just who, exactly, is advocating "a pistol in every pocket"?  benEzra   Oct-21-08 01:08 PM   #45 
                          - Uh, I give up.  iverglas   Oct-21-08 01:13 PM   #48 
           - Here's hoping. We don't need another 1994 in 2010.  benEzra   Oct-18-08 07:48 PM   #15 
              - And that's exactly what it'll get us.  jeepnstein   Oct-18-08 08:05 PM   #16 
                 - It's important for a candidate to LISTEN but it's critical to LISTEN TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE. n/t  jody   Oct-18-08 08:17 PM   #20 
                 - That's why I like our candidate so much...  jeepnstein   Oct-18-08 08:45 PM   #21 
                 - oh dear; et tu  iverglas   Oct-19-08 08:10 PM   #22 
                    - From his autobiography:  benEzra   Oct-19-08 08:42 PM   #23 
                    - the salient portion,  iverglas   Oct-19-08 09:13 PM   #24 
                       - An admission that the passage of the Feinstein non-ban cost a lot of Dem seats  benEzra   Oct-20-08 07:05 AM   #25 
                          - yeah yeah yeah  iverglas   Oct-20-08 11:53 AM   #27 
                             - Do you think the gun ban would have been such a huge issue among gun owners  benEzra   Oct-20-08 10:01 PM   #31 
                                - Possibly the century  pipoman   Oct-21-08 06:22 AM   #33 
                                - life is just so simple, isn't it?  iverglas   Oct-21-08 10:44 AM   #37 
                                   - Seems more like it was a non-issue  tburnsten   Oct-21-08 11:06 AM   #40 
                                   - wow!  gorfle   Oct-21-08 11:38 AM   #41 
                                   - Will you people make up your goddamned minds?  iverglas   Oct-21-08 01:03 PM   #44 
                                      - Both are wrong  tburnsten   Oct-21-08 01:15 PM   #49 
                                      - okay; if I don't answer, I'm evading ...  iverglas   Oct-21-08 01:19 PM   #51 
                                      - Yes and Yes.  gorfle   Oct-21-08 10:22 PM   #52 
                                         - you are so  iverglas   Oct-22-08 08:33 AM   #54 
                                            - And also...  gorfle   Oct-23-08 12:35 PM   #55 
                                   - No, the AWB did...  benEzra   Oct-21-08 01:12 PM   #47 
                                      - now there are invisible words in my posts ...  iverglas   Oct-21-08 01:17 PM   #50 
                    - Self Delete  pipoman   Oct-20-08 08:54 AM   #26 
  - AHSA versus the Gallia County Gun Club  jody   Oct-18-08 08:11 PM   #17 
     - huh; sorta like ...  iverglas   Oct-20-08 11:55 AM   #28 
     - Why don't you ask the "Black Man with a Gun" for his outlook? (nt)  SteveM   Oct-20-08 07:24 PM   #30 
        - okey dokey  iverglas   Oct-21-08 10:45 AM   #38 
     - hey -- I like this bit!  iverglas   Oct-21-08 10:47 AM   #39 
        - There are..  gorfle   Oct-21-08 11:40 AM   #42 
           - I think she's trying the old "guilt by association" bit  derby378   Oct-21-08 12:33 PM   #43 
              - guilt by associating with Democrats?  iverglas   Oct-21-08 01:10 PM   #46 
 

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