benEzra
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Thu May-22-08 02:10 PM
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| 8. According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, |
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victims who resisted criminal attack using guns were less likely to be injured than victims who used any other response, including passive compliance. No cases were identified in which victims' guns were used against them, and all injuries suffered by gun-using victims were incurred before they accessed the firearm.
The claim that ordinary people are psychologically unable to use potentially lethal force to defend themselves in extremis without extensive conditioning beforehand has been almost completely discredited. The chief advocate of that hypothesis is Dave Grossman (who calls the field of study "killology"), but the evidence he marshals has been largely discredited.
I also believe you probably underestimate the training and skill set of the average CHL holder. CHL holders are not a random sampling of the population.
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| -Guns save lives? |
mvccd1000 |
May-22-08 12:08 PM |
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A gun is a tool so powerful that it can only be used for good or evil |
slackmaster |
May-22-08 12:11 PM |
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This is how 99.9%+ of defensive gun uses end up |
krispos42 |
May-22-08 12:15 PM |
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I believe the anti's need dead bodies to prove the usefulness of guns in self defense. |
Wcross |
May-22-08 12:19 PM |
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Yeah, that was billbuckhead's screaming point |
krispos42 |
May-22-08 12:23 PM |
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Stupid assumptions |
nichomachus |
May-22-08 12:20 PM |
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And |
mitchleary |
May-22-08 12:46 PM |
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The fact remains |
nichomachus |
May-22-08 01:10 PM |
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again |
mitchleary |
May-23-08 08:48 PM |
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b.s. |
Dean Martin |
Jun-09-08 06:41 PM |
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According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, |
benEzra |
May-22-08 02:10 PM |
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"killology" |
maxidivine |
May-22-08 04:17 PM |
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Here's a critical review of Grossman's arguments, from a LEO trainer. |
benEzra |
May-22-08 08:19 PM |
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Thanks! NT |
maxidivine |
May-23-08 04:21 PM |
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WOOOMP! |
gorfle |
Jun-05-08 07:32 AM |
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But we need even more assumptions |
krispos42 |
May-22-08 02:11 PM |
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You do have a point... |
spin |
May-22-08 02:38 PM |
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I feel ALOT luckier if I have the gun to begin with, then if I don't. |
jmg257 |
May-22-08 03:35 PM |
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Jim Cirillo |
maxidivine |
May-22-08 04:30 PM |
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No assumptions there.... |
mvccd1000 |
May-22-08 11:25 PM |
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. |
Turbo Teg |
May-23-08 08:58 PM |
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Consider the fact that she had a gun and the fact that she retrieved it when threatened. |
Howzit |
Jun-07-08 03:30 PM |
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"maybe he just would have taken your money and left peacefully" |
old mark |
May-28-08 04:41 AM |
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Where are all the anti's now? Chirp chirp. If the victim was a man though...n/t |
radioburning |
Jun-04-08 10:01 PM |
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okay |
iverglas |
Jun-04-08 11:17 PM |
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Hmm. Which way to run? |
gorfle |
Jun-05-08 07:42 AM |
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there ya go |
iverglas |
Jun-05-08 11:59 AM |
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Well... |
gorfle |
Jun-05-08 12:57 PM |
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Those are a lot of What if's that have to fall into place to not get stabbed, shot, or raped, |
radioburning |
Jun-05-08 05:10 PM |
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I'm so glad I live where I live |
iverglas |
Jun-05-08 06:39 PM |
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That sounds like a nice way to live. Unfortunately the whole world is not exactly... |
radioburning |
Jun-05-08 08:06 PM |
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funny thing |
iverglas |
Jun-06-08 09:39 AM |
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So you would run outside if someone was trying to enter your home? |
Howzit |
Jun-07-08 05:43 AM |
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uh, yeah |
iverglas |
Jun-07-08 03:48 PM |
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"I'm a member of the public whom nobody is actually gunning for" |
Howzit |
Jun-08-08 02:58 PM |
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Yep, usual senseless ASSumptions by antis |
Tejas |
Jun-08-08 11:53 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jun-08-08 03:12 PM |
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In THIS country |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-05-08 05:30 PM |
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I just dunno |
iverglas |
Jun-05-08 06:52 PM |
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Well your post made some assumptions. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-05-08 07:05 PM |
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yeah, it did |
iverglas |
Jun-07-08 04:07 PM |
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That's a big post. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-07-08 11:10 PM |
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you continue to substitute straw for me |
iverglas |
Jun-08-08 03:32 PM |
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Fight or flight. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-08-08 05:02 PM |
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I beg your pardon |
iverglas |
Jun-08-08 05:45 PM |
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so, you care nothing if someone dies |
Tejas |
Jun-08-08 06:40 PM |
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I care nothing if a gun militant dies? |
iverglas |
Jun-08-08 06:42 PM |
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wow, finally straight and simple, I'm impressed. n/t |
Tejas |
Jun-08-08 06:49 PM |
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Again, building layout. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-08-08 08:32 PM |
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and now for the real issue |
iverglas |
Jun-08-08 08:43 PM |
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Intruder lunging at me with a knife |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-08-08 08:58 PM |
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there ya go |
iverglas |
Jun-08-08 10:23 PM |
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You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-08-08 10:56 PM |
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You think it's bad in most US States, stay the hell out of Texas..... |
rdenney |
Jun-09-08 02:50 AM |
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Texas is freakin' wierd. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-09-08 03:22 AM |
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and it has fire ants |
iverglas |
Jun-09-08 12:44 PM |
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One minor point |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-07-08 11:30 PM |
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My apartment... |
solinvictus |
Jun-08-08 10:58 AM |
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that's nice |
iverglas |
Jun-08-08 06:21 PM |
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and they say men have good spacial arrangement skills ... |
iverglas |
Jun-08-08 06:22 PM |
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Keep making assumptions. |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-08-08 08:02 PM |
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if all else fails, just fail some more |
Tejas |
Jun-08-08 06:18 PM |
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great big newsflash for you |
iverglas |
Jun-08-08 06:23 PM |
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So everyone should simply rely on you and you only |
Tejas |
Jun-08-08 06:34 PM |
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hey, if you're asking for a lecture on the nature of collective rights |
iverglas |
Jun-08-08 06:44 PM |
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quit babbling, #48 had nothing to do with Canada n/t |
Tejas |
Jun-08-08 06:48 PM |
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EXACTLY! |
iverglas |
Jun-08-08 07:48 PM |
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You said: |
AtheistCrusader |
Jun-08-08 09:19 PM |
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I meant #27 - ie: "this country" is not Canada, your Canada rant is moot n/t |
Tejas |
Jun-09-08 12:13 AM |
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FUCKING DUH |
iverglas |
Jun-09-08 12:48 PM |
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Too busy beating the snot out of their cat |
Tejas |
Jun-08-08 06:24 PM |
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How often do you beat your boyfriend ? |
rdenney |
Jun-09-08 12:38 PM |
#68 |
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