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107. Convicted in fatal crash as a teen, now facing DUI charge
A former Washington High School student convicted in a well-documented 1996 crash that killed a 15-year-old girl was arrested Wednesday on drunken-driving charges.

Crawford Cleveland III, 28, was arrested at 6:21 p.m. after authorities responded to a hit-and-run traffic crash near the Gulf Beach Highway and Bay Meadow Drive intersection....


I guess our car laws are too lax.

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080509/...
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  -Concealed Carry responsible citizen shoots and kills family. zanne  May-09-08 05:37 PM   #0 
  - "If we had a nickel...  Kali   May-09-08 05:47 PM   #1 
  - Got me rolling! + a gazillion!  maxidivine   May-13-08 10:54 AM   #141 
  - He gets a Darwin Award for taking himself out of the gene pool  slackmaster   May-09-08 05:55 PM   #2 
  - It very sad that he had the means of easy access to firearms too. n/t  rdenney   May-10-08 12:04 AM   #43 
  - If we had a nickle for evey law abiding gun owner who doesn't shoot people  Mountainman   May-09-08 05:56 PM   #3 
  - So is that what it is  mitchleary   May-09-08 05:57 PM   #4 
  - I think zanne's reasoning is more along the lines of this:  slackmaster   May-09-08 05:59 PM   #5 
  - Exactly.  Beregond2   May-09-08 06:19 PM   #7 
  - I think killing random people with a car is just as easy if not easier  slackmaster   May-09-08 06:42 PM   #8 
  - AND YET NOBODY DOES IT  iverglas   May-09-08 08:39 PM   #22 
     - A man killed his girlfriend with his car here last month.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-09-08 08:52 PM   #26 
     - yes, I just knew that would happen -- congratulations  iverglas   May-10-08 01:16 PM   #72 
        - I guess you shouldn't have said "Nobody Does It" then.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-10-08 06:30 PM   #91 
        - no, what I shouldn't do  iverglas   May-10-08 07:20 PM   #94 
           - or that.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-10-08 08:54 PM   #97 
        - ""Nobody does it" -- No! you're wrong! somebody did it!"  maxidivine   May-13-08 11:08 AM   #144 
     - you are wrong litter box breath  bossy22   May-09-08 09:21 PM   #30 
     - Actually, it happens all the time  slackmaster   May-10-08 09:12 AM   #57 
     - I'll be waiting  iverglas   May-10-08 01:30 PM   #75 
        - Man gets life term in crash killing 10  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:19 PM   #106 
        - How typical! Must...change....gun-murder story..use standard NRA issued vehicle crash..obfuscation  rdenney   May-13-08 12:38 PM   #159 
           - Do try to follow the thread, rdenney  slackmaster   May-13-08 01:19 PM   #163 
              - Just my way of making a point to the unaware of how you gun-owners think. Obfuscation is what you...  rdenney   May-13-08 07:41 PM   #169 
        - Convicted in fatal crash as a teen, now facing DUI charge  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:21 PM   #107 
        - Fatal crash just the latest trouble for parolee  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:22 PM   #108 
        - Man gets 3 years for causing fatal crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:24 PM   #109 
        - Court: Man convicted in fatal N.M. crash won't get new trial  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:25 PM   #110 
        - Beverly officer to get a new trial in fatal crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:26 PM   #111 
        - Report: Motorcyclist going 90 mph in fatal crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:28 PM   #112 
        - Man convicted in fatal motorcycle crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:30 PM   #113 
        - Jury: Dad was driving in fatal crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:31 PM   #114 
        - Teen charged in fatal crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:32 PM   #115 
        - Opening statements heard in fatal 2006 crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:33 PM   #116 
        - Repeat drunken driver sent to prison for fatal crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:34 PM   #117 
        - Driver in Fatal Crash a New Acquaintance  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:36 PM   #118 
        - Doctor jailed in fatal crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:36 PM   #119 
        - State to pay $850,000 for fatal crash involving convict  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:38 PM   #120 
        - Man Sentenced To Prison For Fatal Crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:40 PM   #121 
        - Man sentenced in last summer's double fatal crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:41 PM   #122 
        - Driver had history with drugs  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:43 PM   #123 
        - Driver of snowmobile in fatal crash pleads not guilty  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:44 PM   #124 
        - Little Egg Harbor high school student, 17, charged in fatal crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:45 PM   #125 
        - DA adds felony DUI charge in fatal crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:46 PM   #126 
        - Dump truck driver facing charges from fatal crash  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:48 PM   #127 
        - Parents criticise fatal crash extradition ruling  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:49 PM   #128 
        - I don't actually plan to read the whole list  iverglas   May-11-08 03:34 PM   #135 
        - just to help you out a bit  iverglas   May-11-08 03:37 PM   #136 
           - People who die from negligent manslaughter are just as dead as people who are willfully murdered  slackmaster   May-11-08 04:38 PM   #137 
              - I'm really sure you're too smart to play this game  iverglas   May-11-08 08:02 PM   #139 
        - BTW - A comment on how statistics for fatal and non-fatal injuries are reported  slackmaster   May-11-08 01:03 PM   #131 
           - Fatal Injuries  dmiller   May-14-08 10:56 AM   #175 
     - They dont nor do they care. As long as they have their guns nothing matters. nt  rdenney   May-20-08 10:41 AM   #191 
        - Got another post to answer Rdenney  maxidivine   May-20-08 10:48 AM   #192 
  - "I am about as even-tempered a guy as you could meet."  maxidivine   May-13-08 11:05 AM   #142 
  - Ludicrous  dmiller   May-13-08 12:09 PM   #152 
  - Where is the courage of her convictions?  TPaine7   May-09-08 09:46 PM   #36 
  - It's those "car" nuts who scare the Hell outta me.  TomInTib   May-09-08 06:04 PM   #6 
     - So that's why you have to carry a gun!  zanne   May-09-08 06:43 PM   #9 
     - I've concluded that zanne is incapable of carrying on a rational discussion in this forum  slackmaster   May-09-08 06:50 PM   #11 
     - I think that was some humor on zanne's part.  TomInTib   May-09-08 07:49 PM   #16 
     - Yea, you're probably right, she is known for her humor in these parts...n/t  pipoman   May-09-08 09:21 PM   #29 
        - Aw shucks. You make a girl blush. nt  zanne   May-09-08 09:29 PM   #32 
     - +5  maxidivine   May-13-08 11:13 AM   #145 
     - Are you for real?  mitchleary   May-09-08 10:03 PM   #38 
     - Your thinking is realistic on that  slackmaster   May-09-08 06:49 PM   #10 
     - it must be awful to live in such fear  iverglas   May-09-08 08:35 PM   #20 
        - "Fear" doesn't even enter the picture.  TomInTib   May-09-08 08:46 PM   #24 
        - Moronic  dmiller   May-13-08 12:16 PM   #153 
           - you said it  iverglas   May-13-08 12:26 PM   #155 
              - Auto  dmiller   May-13-08 12:40 PM   #160 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-08 12:45 PM   #161 
              - one more for the ages  iverglas   May-13-08 08:23 PM   #170 
              - Gangs  dmiller   May-13-08 01:18 PM   #162 
                 - me?  iverglas   May-13-08 08:25 PM   #171 
                    - You!  dmiller   May-14-08 02:49 PM   #178 
  - Virginia CCW statistics  gorfle   May-09-08 07:03 PM   #12 
  - If that doesn't just beat all  iverglas   May-09-08 07:09 PM   #13 
  - This is what you mean  maxidivine   May-13-08 11:17 AM   #146 
  - more  iverglas   May-09-08 07:17 PM   #14 
  - So he was a known violent criminal after all  slackmaster   May-10-08 09:15 AM   #58 
  - What does a CCW permit have  bbinacan   May-09-08 07:17 PM   #15 
  - Nothing - this is a Domestic Violence case that slipped through the cracks  slackmaster   May-10-08 09:32 AM   #61 
  - Wow you finally found one.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-09-08 08:29 PM   #17 
  - There's been many others  russ1943   May-09-08 11:54 PM   #41 
     - 7 cases = 35 cents  ildemo   May-10-08 07:42 AM   #56 
     - Cha-ching  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-10-08 09:56 AM   #64 
     - You are more likely to be murdered by a cop.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-10-08 09:52 AM   #62 
     - but they'll just keep saying it  iverglas   May-10-08 01:10 PM   #71 
     - The same kind of dunderhead that would propose taking weapons away from them.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-10-08 06:35 PM   #92 
     - big fucking WHUP for you, pal  iverglas   May-10-08 07:22 PM   #95 
     - but just out of curiosity  iverglas   May-10-08 07:23 PM   #96 
     - You complained that nobody had responded to them, so I responded.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-10-08 08:57 PM   #98 
     - It should also be noted that you responded to me.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-10-08 08:59 PM   #99 
     - okay, explain how this even began to be rational  iverglas   May-10-08 10:35 PM   #100 
        - They do have low crime rates.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-11-08 01:08 AM   #104 
     - Comparative studies  maxidivine   May-13-08 11:29 AM   #147 
     - Permits  dmiller   May-13-08 12:34 PM   #158 
        - where do you buy your spectacles?  iverglas   May-13-08 03:10 PM   #168 
           - Your spectacles?  dmiller   May-14-08 02:19 PM   #177 
  - This doesn't change the fact that women should have access to firearms to protect them from rapists.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-09-08 08:30 PM   #18 
  - yes, it's a fine point, and it needed to be made  iverglas   May-09-08 08:38 PM   #21 
  - It wouldn't surprise us at all if you were looking forward to it.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-09-08 08:50 PM   #25 
  - Wow, you're exactly right!  TPaine7   May-09-08 09:35 PM   #34 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   May-10-08 01:34 PM   #76 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   May-13-08 11:42 AM   #149 
     - one of those things that needs preserving for posterity  iverglas   May-13-08 12:21 PM   #154 
     - well, I guess all I can say is  iverglas   May-13-08 12:28 PM   #156 
  - Now you will be bashed  maxidivine   May-13-08 11:36 AM   #148 
  - In the end the killers are all Cowards...  MadMaddie   May-09-08 08:31 PM   #19 
  - Concealed carry permit? According to whom?  Wcross   May-09-08 08:42 PM   #23 
  - Great point n/t  pipoman   May-09-08 09:11 PM   #27 
  - Well, I think you guys are doing more for McCain than Rush Limbaugh...  zanne   May-09-08 09:21 PM   #31 
  - Please provide proof or pull the post sweetheart.  Wcross   May-09-08 09:48 PM   #37 
  - "proof"  iverglas   May-10-08 01:57 PM   #80 
     - , I am asking for proof that the individual had a concealed carry permit.  Wcross   May-10-08 06:58 PM   #93 
  - How many guns laws  mitchleary   May-09-08 10:27 PM   #39 
  - Absolutely! Gun control laws have always been a core Democrat issue, and will be again too in 2009.  rdenney   May-10-08 12:07 AM   #44 
  - Wrong.  krispos42   May-10-08 01:02 AM   #47 
  - Yep a core issue which has arguably cost the party more  pipoman   May-10-08 07:18 AM   #55 
  - it will most likely not be a big issue in the future  bossy22   May-10-08 04:27 PM   #86 
  - "core Democrat issue": maybe since you've been alive. Not since I've been.  SteveM   May-13-08 11:07 AM   #143 
  - Yes they will  maxidivine   May-13-08 11:51 AM   #151 
  - "A traitor to your party"? What the HELL are you insinuating...  spin   May-10-08 12:51 AM   #45 
  - That's right, how dare you!  maxidivine   May-13-08 11:46 AM   #150 
  - Are the actual fact relevant?  TPaine7   May-09-08 09:42 PM   #35 
  - According to the Sheriff  russ1943   May-09-08 10:58 PM   #40 
  - He had a fairly impressive arsenal but smaller than mine..  spin   May-10-08 01:34 AM   #49 
  - So, if I got the Concealed Carry permit issuer to come to DU and prove it...  zanne   May-10-08 11:13 AM   #65 
  - Just some proof would be nice.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-10-08 11:57 AM   #66 
  - I was curious too  iverglas   May-10-08 01:53 PM   #79 
  - Assuming that this story has some significance to public policy. . .  TPaine7   May-09-08 09:14 PM   #28 
  - Nope, no point,  Tejas   May-09-08 09:34 PM   #33 
  - well ...  iverglas   May-10-08 03:52 PM   #84 
  - This is so sad and so unnecessary. Perhaps Obama will reinstate the assault weapon ban again...  rdenney   May-10-08 12:03 AM   #42 
  - Ah, so we could have 4 handgun victims?  krispos42   May-10-08 12:55 AM   #46 
  - Why do you include the murderer?  maxidivine   May-13-08 02:54 PM   #166 
     - I love it when they fight among themselves  iverglas   May-14-08 03:06 PM   #180 
  - No disrespect, but  TPaine7   May-10-08 01:11 AM   #48 
  - self delete  spin   May-10-08 02:00 AM   #50 
  - What makes you think that I see the difference? A gun simply makes killing easier for these insane..  rdenney   May-10-08 04:02 AM   #53 
     - Insane people aren't supposed to have guns  slackmaster   May-10-08 09:21 AM   #60 
     - The solution is to have people in the MH system now reported to the authorities until such time as..  rdenney   May-10-08 12:24 PM   #68 
        - A reasonable proposal.  TPaine7   May-10-08 05:40 PM   #90 
        - Thanks! n/t  rdenney   May-10-08 10:58 PM   #101 
        - People who are mentally ill have civil rights too  slackmaster   May-11-08 12:52 PM   #129 
     - Your statement. . .  TPaine7   May-10-08 03:12 PM   #82 
  - Sorry, the assault weapons ban was a TOTAL failure..  spin   May-10-08 02:03 AM   #51 
  - It was only a failure because it didnt outlaw existing assualt weapons. Had that been the case you.  rdenney   May-10-08 03:42 AM   #52 
     - Why, exactly what do you believe the result would be?  pipoman   May-10-08 07:04 AM   #54 
     - That is NOT an assault weapon. No bayonet lug, no pistol grip, no large capacity magazines...  rdenney   May-10-08 11:04 PM   #102 
        - The point is that it is identical in function  pipoman   May-11-08 05:10 AM   #105 
        - it says nothing about a large capacity magazine  bossy22   May-11-08 01:03 PM   #130 
        - hmm...it actually can be considerd an AW  bossy22   May-11-08 01:07 PM   #133 
     - Do you believe that "assault weapons" were used in a lot of homicides?  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-10-08 09:55 AM   #63 
     - that is called confiscation  bossy22   May-10-08 12:40 PM   #69 
        - A video on the Katrina gun confiscation...  spin   May-10-08 01:16 PM   #73 
        - and there was outcry in the govt  bossy22   May-10-08 01:51 PM   #78 
           - True, but rest assured that if a major catastrophe happens...  spin   May-10-08 04:50 PM   #89 
        - I agree that door to door confiscations wont happen but we can capture many of these guns by using.  rdenney   May-10-08 11:15 PM   #103 
        - i think  bossy22   May-11-08 01:05 PM   #132 
        - We need only correct the law so that one AW is not allowed over another...  rdenney   May-17-08 05:07 AM   #183 
           - Several million Mini-14 and Mini-30 rifles are owned by people  slackmaster   May-19-08 06:30 PM   #186 
  - You of all people know that Presidents don't write laws, rdenney  slackmaster   May-10-08 09:17 AM   #59 
  - The president sets the tone and signs gun control into law. nt  rdenney   May-10-08 12:12 PM   #67 
  - it is true that presidents can help push legislation through  bossy22   May-10-08 01:42 PM   #77 
  - Thanks for the welcome. Yes, Presidents can influence gun laws like Bill Clinton did. n/t  rdenney   May-12-08 12:11 AM   #140 
  - this would have been done with or without an AWB  bossy22   May-10-08 12:44 PM   #70 
  - btw if you read the article  bossy22   May-10-08 01:29 PM   #74 
     - ?????  iverglas   May-10-08 03:45 PM   #83 
        - my bad  bossy22   May-10-08 03:59 PM   #85 
  - seven recs?  bossy22   May-10-08 02:55 PM   #81 
  - 8 recs!!!!!  bossy22   May-10-08 04:32 PM   #87 
  - 8 recs!!!!!  bossy22   May-10-08 04:32 PM   #88 
  - I'm really surprised you think this man was a responsible citizen.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-11-08 02:16 PM   #134 
  - Anti's just keep getting pwned.  radioburning   May-11-08 08:01 PM   #138 
  - you seem to be reading some other thread  iverglas   May-13-08 12:29 PM   #157 
  - Anti's  dmiller   May-13-08 01:29 PM   #164 
  - Pummeled  dmiller   May-14-08 10:52 AM   #173 
  - This post is also about $300 in nickels, if not less...  radioburning   May-13-08 02:30 PM   #165 
  - Stats  dmiller   May-13-08 02:54 PM   #167 
     - Yeah, I know. You are way more likely to die from prescription medicine, but anti's think...  radioburning   May-14-08 10:37 AM   #172 
        - and firearms save so many more lives  iverglas   May-14-08 10:54 AM   #174 
           - Replies  dmiller   May-14-08 01:45 PM   #176 
           - well jeez  iverglas   May-14-08 03:02 PM   #179 
           - Well, at least you just sidestepped making a counterpoint by making a sorta related point.  radioburning   May-14-08 08:08 PM   #181 
           - You cant expect replies for a survey which was meant to be flawed to begin with, can you?  rdenney   May-17-08 05:11 AM   #184 
              - Why is that so unbelievable for you?  maxidivine   May-20-08 09:06 AM   #190 
  - Looks like you just got a nickel to me ...  avenger64   May-16-08 11:00 AM   #182 
  - Bullshit.  class2068   May-19-08 03:39 PM   #185 
  - that "you are 62 times more likely to kill a family member than a criminal" crap  iverglas   May-19-08 07:31 PM   #187 
  - this article  kyle12   May-20-08 07:32 AM   #188 
     - Concealed Carry Laws aren't about crime reduction  maxidivine   May-20-08 08:26 AM   #189 
        - and this  iverglas   May-20-08 12:34 PM   #193 
           - How about broken down state by state  maxidivine   May-20-08 01:02 PM   #194 
              - okay -- start with Florida  iverglas   May-20-08 01:07 PM   #195 
 

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