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gorfle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:54 PM
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125. How noble of you.
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 05:24 PM by gorfle
People like me -- that would be people with brown eyes? People with flat feet?

Surely not people who refuse to acknowledge that sometimes the best way to stand up to oppression is by fighting back -- because to say that I was a person like that would be an out and out false statement. If you know it to be false and said it anyway, it would get bumped down a step on the scale of acceptable conduct in civilized society.

So I guess you're talking about people with brown eyes and flat feet who say things that I don't say, and that you know perfectly well that I don't say.

You do a miserable job of playing dumb, Iverglas. Because everything about you I've ever read screams, "Let the people suffer with no means to defend themselves". You can wiggle and squirm and play stupid and pretend that I'm talking about people with brown eyes and flat feet all you want. You and I and everyone else here knows what you are really all about, and it ain't flat feet or brown eyes.

Yeah, me who spent 15 years of my life advocating for victims of thugs with guns who were in power around the world, and organizing solidarity and lobbying on behalf of said victims. If all the volunteer hours I put in at that kind of work had been paid at the average industrial wage, I could have retired by now.

That's all well and good, Iverglas. And as long as you fight to keep people like this at the mercy of people like you, you'll never have a shortage of work to keep yourself occupied. Heaven forbid these people actually have the means to defend themselves.

Yeah, me who pays lots of taxes so that Canadian troops can flit around the world on peacekeeping missions.

Yeah, that's all well and good that you can help send in other people with guns. Too bad the people who need the help have to wait on other people's charity to be able to resist oppression. Heaven forbid these people actually have the means to defend themselves. No no, so sorry, you must wait for the peacekeepers to arrive. And so 9.2 million people flee their homes while they wait for the world to give enough of a shit to help them.

You know what they say: Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

Similarly, Give a man a peacekeeper and he stays safe for a day. Give him the means to defend himself and he stays safe forever.

At least until someone else with guns finally shows up to put a stop to it.

What are you talking about here?

I'm talking about peacekeeping troops from other nations who finally show up (with guns) after enough people decide to give a shit to stop the murdering going on in their part of the world. Usually the guys with the blue helmets.

It is sickeningly vile how you advocate keeping other people reliant on your charity for their security and safety and then congratulate yourself for the great work you are doing helping them out. It's like some twisted kind of Munchausen by proxy or something.
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  -Homicide rates in homes, cities and regions with guns. zanne  Apr-22-08 03:04 PM   #0 
  - Correlation does not prove causation  slackmaster   Apr-22-08 03:14 PM   #1 
  - Just a snip from the research  Fire_Medic_Dave   Apr-22-08 03:16 PM   #2 
  - It was a phone survey, so it must be true  DonP   Apr-23-08 02:30 PM   #95 
  - Sounds about right - If I lived in a state with many homicides, I would buy more guns too.  jmg257   Apr-22-08 03:16 PM   #3 
  - Not necessarily  Callisto32   Apr-23-08 09:32 AM   #68 
  - Statistics can be fun...  Firethorn   Apr-24-08 09:49 AM   #109 
  - The gun nuts, even those pretending to be Democrats, will ignore the facts.  TooBigaTent   Apr-22-08 03:22 PM   #4 
  - We ARE in the Militia already. Just nothing in the constitution about serving overseas.  jmg257   Apr-22-08 03:30 PM   #5 
  - LOL! Yep. There goes one right there.  apocalypsehow   Apr-22-08 03:36 PM   #7 
  - The Constitution was not so specific. The militia acts passed shortly after were, however.  jmg257   Apr-22-08 03:40 PM   #9 
  - Miller decision  Firethorn   Apr-24-08 10:09 AM   #110 
     - The "absence of any evidence" was due to Miller being dead.  jmg257   Apr-24-08 02:58 PM   #119 
  - LOL! It just gets better with every passing edit!  apocalypsehow   Apr-22-08 03:41 PM   #10 
     - We must be ever vigilant against the evil Canadians. nt  zanne   Apr-22-08 03:45 PM   #12 
     - Just like in South Park! (But we have the Baldwin brothers!)  jmg257   Apr-22-08 04:50 PM   #22 
     - Not sure about Canada and Mexico. But the Constitution is easy to read...  jmg257   Apr-22-08 03:48 PM   #14 
     - You and the Wolverines!  apocalypsehow   Apr-22-08 04:29 PM   #18 
        - That's cool. I myself don't worry about it. But you should take comfort where you can.  jmg257   Apr-22-08 04:43 PM   #21 
           - I'll bet that DVD gets a serious workout in the jmg257 household. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Apr-22-08 04:52 PM   #24 
              - Naaa - haven't seen it in years. Besides - I've got kids - we are more partial to Disney right now.  jmg257   Apr-22-08 04:52 PM   #25 
     - Remember....  gorfle   Apr-23-08 08:43 PM   #101 
  - You'll find our "pro-gun Democrats" far too timid to put their keisters where their keyboards are,  apocalypsehow   Apr-22-08 03:30 PM   #6 
  - Really? What about all of us Pro-gun Democrats who already did our combat tours?  Lex1775   Apr-22-08 03:38 PM   #8 
  - the quotations  bossy22   Apr-22-08 03:47 PM   #13 
  - Not a bit of it.  apocalypsehow   Apr-22-08 04:01 PM   #15 
     - Oh good, another person helping all us poor ignorant folks ...  DonP   Apr-22-08 04:13 PM   #16 
     - He honestly does...  DrCory   Apr-22-08 05:02 PM   #26 
     - You should read your own stuff, if you can stand it....  SteveM   Apr-22-08 04:15 PM   #17 
     - If you haven't noticed...  DrCory   Apr-22-08 04:41 PM   #19 
     - An Orwell fan!  iverglas   Apr-22-08 09:26 PM   #29 
     - You're wrong...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 04:41 AM   #34 
     - Yup. I'm sure you'd put down your remote control and pick up your musket...  zanne   Apr-23-08 04:55 AM   #36 
     - So....  DrCory   Apr-23-08 05:11 AM   #38 
        - Can't reply to the issue, huh?  zanne   Apr-23-08 05:44 AM   #42 
        - Can't reply to a false dichotomy...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 05:58 AM   #48 
        - "Has, can AND WILL"?  zanne   Apr-23-08 06:00 AM   #50 
           - Judging by historical precedent , yes.  DrCory   Apr-23-08 06:07 AM   #52 
              - You weren't talking about "elsewhere" in the world.  zanne   Apr-23-08 06:23 AM   #54 
                 - It's a general concept...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 06:25 AM   #56 
                 - This is what you said, verbatim...  zanne   Apr-23-08 08:07 AM   #63 
                    - Yes...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 10:13 AM   #72 
                       - I love how you try to deny your own words, Dr.Cory.  zanne   Apr-23-08 10:24 AM   #77 
                          - What, Pray Tell...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 10:48 AM   #81 
                 - I think you misinterpret...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 06:36 AM   #58 
                    - Are you part of a militia? nt  zanne   Apr-23-08 08:08 AM   #64 
                       - Yes...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 09:35 AM   #69 
                          - That's not the kind of militia I meant.  zanne   Apr-23-08 10:18 AM   #73 
                             - No. N/T  DrCory   Apr-23-08 10:21 AM   #75 
                             - Hmmmmm  zanne   Apr-23-08 10:25 AM   #78 
                             - Those militias...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 10:36 AM   #80 
                             - Hmmmm. You like the "defense" argument.  zanne   Apr-23-08 12:21 PM   #85 
                             - Not sure about Dr. Cory. But I would definitely like a good defense against  jmg257   Apr-23-08 12:47 PM   #86 
                             - Cat got your tongue, Dr.Cory? nt  zanne   Apr-23-08 01:08 PM   #90 
                             - Does not...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 02:50 PM   #96 
                             - Who is calling who a liar?? N/T  DrCory   Apr-23-08 12:52 PM   #88 
        - Perhaps...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 06:17 AM   #53 
        - On the subject of defeat...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 06:23 AM   #55 
        - go resist something, will ya?  iverglas   Apr-23-08 07:04 AM   #62 
           - Sorry, but I may post my thoughts here...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 09:55 AM   #70 
        - Do you really think our government would drop nukes on it's own citizens?  jmg257   Apr-23-08 11:04 AM   #82 
        - Ask the Iraqis.  gorfle   Apr-23-08 08:55 PM   #102 
        - "So..."  iverglas   Apr-23-08 05:45 AM   #43 
           - Absurd...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 06:03 AM   #51 
           - These little word games are just a facade  zanne   Apr-23-08 08:10 AM   #65 
           - Please explain...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 11:34 AM   #83 
           - Please point out where I said "You shouldn't have them".  zanne   Apr-23-08 12:17 PM   #84 
              - OMG!!  DrCory   Apr-23-08 12:50 PM   #87 
                 - Again; Show me where I said guns should be banned altogether.  zanne   Apr-23-08 01:05 PM   #89 
                    - You really are a gas!!  DrCory   Apr-23-08 01:12 PM   #91 
                    - Speaking of a comedy improv, I did a little research on you.  zanne   Apr-23-08 01:27 PM   #92 
                       - Yet ANOTHER arbiter...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 01:40 PM   #94 
                       - Zannes ultimate response when losing an argument IGNORE!!!  Fire_Medic_Dave   Apr-23-08 10:02 PM   #106 
                    - Spare me your false indignation...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 01:36 PM   #93 
           - Is that bubbling I hear....  DrCory   Apr-23-08 10:05 AM   #71 
              - I though gun nuts were not "elitist".  zanne   Apr-23-08 10:20 AM   #74 
                 - Did you just call me a "nut"??? N/T  DrCory   Apr-23-08 10:26 AM   #79 
     - jeez, talk about res ipsa loquitur  iverglas   Apr-23-08 05:08 AM   #37 
        - WOW!!!  DrCory   Apr-23-08 05:17 AM   #39 
           - care not to pretend that the world sprang full blown from your forehead last night?  iverglas   Apr-23-08 05:42 AM   #41 
           - Stop It, You're Killing Me!  DrCory   Apr-23-08 05:52 AM   #46 
           - Nobody is more intellectual and elitist than you, Dr.Cory!  zanne   Apr-23-08 10:22 AM   #76 
              - explain your home state  Hoosier lawyer   Apr-27-08 05:33 PM   #149 
     - Care to clarify?  DrCory   Apr-23-08 07:03 AM   #60 
     - Me too!  SteveM   Apr-25-08 02:20 PM   #142 
        - was there actually something you failed to grasp?  iverglas   Apr-25-08 02:40 PM   #143 
     - RKBA a "progressive" concept?  zanne   Apr-23-08 04:51 AM   #35 
        - A Progressive Viewpoint...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 05:26 AM   #40 
           - The police and military betray the interests of the people?  zanne   Apr-23-08 05:46 AM   #44 
              - it's actually separate centuries  iverglas   Apr-23-08 05:48 AM   #45 
              - Gee...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 06:55 AM   #59 
                 - oh, you mean  iverglas   Apr-23-08 07:03 AM   #61 
                    - Straw Man...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 09:13 AM   #66 
                    - yet another question I've asked before  iverglas   Apr-23-08 04:56 PM   #97 
                       - Oh my...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 05:51 PM   #98 
                       - Several others...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 08:08 PM   #99 
                       - Well said!  gorfle   Apr-23-08 09:40 PM   #105 
                       - how sad for you  iverglas   Apr-24-08 02:18 PM   #114 
                       - somebody else to whom strange things seeeeeeem  iverglas   Apr-24-08 02:17 PM   #113 
                          - You may be on to something.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Apr-24-08 02:43 PM   #117 
                          - Sorry to dissapoint...  DrCory   Apr-24-08 05:08 PM   #126 
                          - It's rather unseemly...  DrCory   Apr-25-08 05:24 AM   #137 
                       - What is...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 08:59 PM   #103 
                       - oops  iverglas   Apr-24-08 02:22 PM   #115 
                          - In all honesty...  DrCory   Apr-24-08 05:12 PM   #127 
                             - in all honesty  iverglas   Apr-24-08 09:29 PM   #132 
                                - On second thought...  DrCory   Apr-25-08 05:32 AM   #138 
                       - The ability....  gorfle   Apr-23-08 09:23 PM   #104 
                       - sorry, but this makes me fucking sick  iverglas   Apr-24-08 02:35 PM   #116 
                          - Do you honestly believe  Fire_Medic_Dave   Apr-24-08 02:57 PM   #118 
                          - Precisely.  gorfle   Apr-24-08 03:52 PM   #121 
                          - Yeah.  gorfle   Apr-24-08 03:42 PM   #120 
                             - and then comes more filthy shit  iverglas   Apr-24-08 04:14 PM   #123 
                                - How noble of you.  gorfle   Apr-24-08 04:54 PM   #125 
                                - filth  iverglas   Apr-24-08 07:30 PM   #128 
                                - It's filth alright.  gorfle   Apr-24-08 08:18 PM   #130 
                                - and the REASON THEY ARE SUFFERING  iverglas   Apr-24-08 09:28 PM   #131 
                                - Bye.  gorfle   Apr-24-08 11:02 PM   #134 
                                - thank the gods and little fishies  iverglas   Apr-25-08 12:15 AM   #135 
                                - Have your pail handy...  DrCory   Apr-25-08 05:01 AM   #136 
                                - by the way  iverglas   Apr-24-08 09:33 PM   #133 
                                - What a great description of European (British to be exact) colonialism N/T  pipoman   Apr-25-08 06:11 AM   #139 
                                - Iraq, anyone?  iverglas   Apr-25-08 02:41 PM   #144 
                                - I was referring to the largest colonialist nation in the history of the world  pipoman   Apr-25-08 06:52 PM   #145 
                                - so was I  iverglas   Apr-25-08 07:25 PM   #146 
                                - "Very arguably" indeed N/T  pipoman   Apr-26-08 07:41 AM   #147 
                                - Should people just wait to die until the UN gets its act together?  friendly_iconoclast   Apr-24-08 08:10 PM   #129 
                       - A tough night...  DrCory   Apr-24-08 04:46 AM   #108 
                    - Besides...  DrCory   Apr-23-08 09:29 AM   #67 
              - How many historical references would you like?  DrCory   Apr-23-08 05:55 AM   #47 
              - For your sake, I'll leave that one alone.  zanne   Apr-23-08 05:58 AM   #49 
              - to answer  bossy22   Apr-24-08 03:52 PM   #122 
              - Asks the person who says the govt(military) will drop nukes on the people in the event  jmg257   Apr-24-08 04:18 PM   #124 
     - And another thing I've noted about observations such as this, is that the closer one is to the mark  apocalypsehow   Apr-22-08 04:50 PM   #23 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-22-08 07:47 PM   #28 
     - Gosh n' darn it, what'd I miss in the deleted sub-thread pointing at my humble post here?  apocalypsehow   Apr-22-08 10:43 PM   #30 
        - I know the feeling.  Longtooth   Apr-22-08 10:47 PM   #31 
     - this is not a progressive discussion board  bossy22   Apr-22-08 05:12 PM   #27 
     - How Progressive  pipoman   Apr-23-08 06:25 AM   #57 
  - In my youth, four years...  DrCory   Apr-22-08 04:43 PM   #20 
  - Actually, that's something of a liberal position  krispos42   Apr-23-08 01:01 AM   #32 
     - Being in the military teaches a lot of valuable lessons...  spin   Apr-24-08 10:59 AM   #112 
  - national guard  bossy22   Apr-22-08 03:43 PM   #11 
  - The militia is not the National Guard.  gorfle   Apr-23-08 08:41 PM   #100 
  - Sorry,  Turbo Teg   Apr-23-08 10:41 PM   #107 
  - Oops, I guess I should have scrolled down a lot more  Longtooth   Apr-25-08 08:49 AM   #141 
  - Sorry, the National Guard has nothing to do with the militia  Longtooth   Apr-25-08 08:47 AM   #140 
  - Hmmmm....  krispos42   Apr-23-08 01:12 AM   #33 
  - Conservation sucks for other reasons.  Firethorn   Apr-24-08 10:26 AM   #111 
  - Ah, not so much.  benEzra   Apr-26-08 11:23 PM   #148 

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