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Tue Apr-22-08 03:16 PM
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| 3. Sounds about right - If I lived in a state with many homicides, I would buy more guns too. |
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Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 03:35 PM by jmg257
But since they spent money on this study, re: suicides:
1) "the hypothesis {is} that the availability of lethal means increases the rate of completed suicide." (well - duh!)
2) "A positive and significant association exists between levels of household firearm ownership and rates of firearm and overall suicide"
Well, OK... BUT!!!...
3) "rates of nonfirearm suicide were not associated with levels of household firearm ownership"...
4) which means just and ONLY this: rates of firearm suicide were associated with levels of household firearm ownership (well - duh! again)
So - guns are lethal, and effective in killing one's self. And, imagine this!!!...gun-related suicide is associated with gun-related households.
Go figure - guns can be lethal - in fact, their lethality is one reason I own them - they would be useless for defense otherwise, no?
And as often happens, when there are elevated levels of homicides/violence, many people seem to buy guns (for defense I imagine). Cause vs effect?
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| -Homicide rates in homes, cities and regions with guns. |
zanne |
Apr-22-08 03:04 PM |
#0 |
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Correlation does not prove causation |
slackmaster |
Apr-22-08 03:14 PM |
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Just a snip from the research |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-22-08 03:16 PM |
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It was a phone survey, so it must be true |
DonP |
Apr-23-08 02:30 PM |
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Sounds about right - If I lived in a state with many homicides, I would buy more guns too. |
jmg257 |
Apr-22-08 03:16 PM |
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Not necessarily |
Callisto32 |
Apr-23-08 09:32 AM |
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Statistics can be fun... |
Firethorn |
Apr-24-08 09:49 AM |
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The gun nuts, even those pretending to be Democrats, will ignore the facts. |
TooBigaTent |
Apr-22-08 03:22 PM |
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We ARE in the Militia already. Just nothing in the constitution about serving overseas. |
jmg257 |
Apr-22-08 03:30 PM |
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LOL! Yep. There goes one right there. |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-22-08 03:36 PM |
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The Constitution was not so specific. The militia acts passed shortly after were, however. |
jmg257 |
Apr-22-08 03:40 PM |
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Miller decision |
Firethorn |
Apr-24-08 10:09 AM |
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The "absence of any evidence" was due to Miller being dead. |
jmg257 |
Apr-24-08 02:58 PM |
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LOL! It just gets better with every passing edit! |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-22-08 03:41 PM |
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We must be ever vigilant against the evil Canadians. nt |
zanne |
Apr-22-08 03:45 PM |
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Just like in South Park! (But we have the Baldwin brothers!) |
jmg257 |
Apr-22-08 04:50 PM |
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Not sure about Canada and Mexico. But the Constitution is easy to read... |
jmg257 |
Apr-22-08 03:48 PM |
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You and the Wolverines! |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-22-08 04:29 PM |
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That's cool. I myself don't worry about it. But you should take comfort where you can. |
jmg257 |
Apr-22-08 04:43 PM |
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I'll bet that DVD gets a serious workout in the jmg257 household. n/t. |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-22-08 04:52 PM |
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Naaa - haven't seen it in years. Besides - I've got kids - we are more partial to Disney right now. |
jmg257 |
Apr-22-08 04:52 PM |
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Remember.... |
gorfle |
Apr-23-08 08:43 PM |
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You'll find our "pro-gun Democrats" far too timid to put their keisters where their keyboards are, |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-22-08 03:30 PM |
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Really? What about all of us Pro-gun Democrats who already did our combat tours? |
Lex1775 |
Apr-22-08 03:38 PM |
#8 |
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the quotations |
bossy22 |
Apr-22-08 03:47 PM |
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Not a bit of it. |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-22-08 04:01 PM |
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Oh good, another person helping all us poor ignorant folks ... |
DonP |
Apr-22-08 04:13 PM |
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He honestly does... |
DrCory |
Apr-22-08 05:02 PM |
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You should read your own stuff, if you can stand it.... |
SteveM |
Apr-22-08 04:15 PM |
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If you haven't noticed... |
DrCory |
Apr-22-08 04:41 PM |
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An Orwell fan! |
iverglas |
Apr-22-08 09:26 PM |
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You're wrong... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 04:41 AM |
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Yup. I'm sure you'd put down your remote control and pick up your musket... |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 04:55 AM |
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So.... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 05:11 AM |
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Can't reply to the issue, huh? |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 05:44 AM |
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Can't reply to a false dichotomy... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 05:58 AM |
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"Has, can AND WILL"? |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 06:00 AM |
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Judging by historical precedent , yes. |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 06:07 AM |
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You weren't talking about "elsewhere" in the world. |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 06:23 AM |
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It's a general concept... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 06:25 AM |
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This is what you said, verbatim... |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 08:07 AM |
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Yes... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 10:13 AM |
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I love how you try to deny your own words, Dr.Cory. |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 10:24 AM |
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What, Pray Tell... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 10:48 AM |
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I think you misinterpret... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 06:36 AM |
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Are you part of a militia? nt |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 08:08 AM |
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Yes... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 09:35 AM |
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That's not the kind of militia I meant. |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 10:18 AM |
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No. N/T |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 10:21 AM |
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Hmmmmm |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 10:25 AM |
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Those militias... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 10:36 AM |
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Hmmmm. You like the "defense" argument. |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 12:21 PM |
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Not sure about Dr. Cory. But I would definitely like a good defense against |
jmg257 |
Apr-23-08 12:47 PM |
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Cat got your tongue, Dr.Cory? nt |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 01:08 PM |
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Does not... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 02:50 PM |
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Who is calling who a liar?? N/T |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 12:52 PM |
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Perhaps... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 06:17 AM |
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On the subject of defeat... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 06:23 AM |
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go resist something, will ya? |
iverglas |
Apr-23-08 07:04 AM |
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Sorry, but I may post my thoughts here... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 09:55 AM |
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Do you really think our government would drop nukes on it's own citizens? |
jmg257 |
Apr-23-08 11:04 AM |
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Ask the Iraqis. |
gorfle |
Apr-23-08 08:55 PM |
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"So..." |
iverglas |
Apr-23-08 05:45 AM |
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Absurd... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 06:03 AM |
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These little word games are just a facade |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 08:10 AM |
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Please explain... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 11:34 AM |
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Please point out where I said "You shouldn't have them". |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 12:17 PM |
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OMG!! |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 12:50 PM |
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Again; Show me where I said guns should be banned altogether. |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 01:05 PM |
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You really are a gas!! |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 01:12 PM |
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Speaking of a comedy improv, I did a little research on you. |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 01:27 PM |
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Yet ANOTHER arbiter... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 01:40 PM |
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Zannes ultimate response when losing an argument IGNORE!!! |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-23-08 10:02 PM |
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Spare me your false indignation... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 01:36 PM |
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Is that bubbling I hear.... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 10:05 AM |
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I though gun nuts were not "elitist". |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 10:20 AM |
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Did you just call me a "nut"??? N/T |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 10:26 AM |
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jeez, talk about res ipsa loquitur |
iverglas |
Apr-23-08 05:08 AM |
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WOW!!! |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 05:17 AM |
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care not to pretend that the world sprang full blown from your forehead last night? |
iverglas |
Apr-23-08 05:42 AM |
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Stop It, You're Killing Me! |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 05:52 AM |
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Nobody is more intellectual and elitist than you, Dr.Cory! |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 10:22 AM |
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explain your home state |
Hoosier lawyer |
Apr-27-08 05:33 PM |
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Care to clarify? |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 07:03 AM |
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Me too! |
SteveM |
Apr-25-08 02:20 PM |
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was there actually something you failed to grasp? |
iverglas |
Apr-25-08 02:40 PM |
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RKBA a "progressive" concept? |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 04:51 AM |
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A Progressive Viewpoint... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 05:26 AM |
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The police and military betray the interests of the people? |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 05:46 AM |
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it's actually separate centuries |
iverglas |
Apr-23-08 05:48 AM |
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Gee... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 06:55 AM |
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oh, you mean |
iverglas |
Apr-23-08 07:03 AM |
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Straw Man... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 09:13 AM |
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yet another question I've asked before |
iverglas |
Apr-23-08 04:56 PM |
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Oh my... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 05:51 PM |
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Several others... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 08:08 PM |
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Well said! |
gorfle |
Apr-23-08 09:40 PM |
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how sad for you |
iverglas |
Apr-24-08 02:18 PM |
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somebody else to whom strange things seeeeeeem |
iverglas |
Apr-24-08 02:17 PM |
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You may be on to something. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-24-08 02:43 PM |
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Sorry to dissapoint... |
DrCory |
Apr-24-08 05:08 PM |
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It's rather unseemly... |
DrCory |
Apr-25-08 05:24 AM |
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What is... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 08:59 PM |
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oops |
iverglas |
Apr-24-08 02:22 PM |
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In all honesty... |
DrCory |
Apr-24-08 05:12 PM |
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in all honesty |
iverglas |
Apr-24-08 09:29 PM |
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On second thought... |
DrCory |
Apr-25-08 05:32 AM |
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The ability.... |
gorfle |
Apr-23-08 09:23 PM |
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sorry, but this makes me fucking sick |
iverglas |
Apr-24-08 02:35 PM |
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Do you honestly believe |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-24-08 02:57 PM |
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Precisely. |
gorfle |
Apr-24-08 03:52 PM |
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Yeah. |
gorfle |
Apr-24-08 03:42 PM |
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and then comes more filthy shit |
iverglas |
Apr-24-08 04:14 PM |
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How noble of you. |
gorfle |
Apr-24-08 04:54 PM |
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filth |
iverglas |
Apr-24-08 07:30 PM |
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It's filth alright. |
gorfle |
Apr-24-08 08:18 PM |
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and the REASON THEY ARE SUFFERING |
iverglas |
Apr-24-08 09:28 PM |
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Bye. |
gorfle |
Apr-24-08 11:02 PM |
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thank the gods and little fishies |
iverglas |
Apr-25-08 12:15 AM |
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Have your pail handy... |
DrCory |
Apr-25-08 05:01 AM |
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by the way |
iverglas |
Apr-24-08 09:33 PM |
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What a great description of European (British to be exact) colonialism N/T |
pipoman |
Apr-25-08 06:11 AM |
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Iraq, anyone? |
iverglas |
Apr-25-08 02:41 PM |
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I was referring to the largest colonialist nation in the history of the world |
pipoman |
Apr-25-08 06:52 PM |
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so was I |
iverglas |
Apr-25-08 07:25 PM |
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"Very arguably" indeed N/T |
pipoman |
Apr-26-08 07:41 AM |
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Should people just wait to die until the UN gets its act together? |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-24-08 08:10 PM |
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A tough night... |
DrCory |
Apr-24-08 04:46 AM |
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Besides... |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 09:29 AM |
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How many historical references would you like? |
DrCory |
Apr-23-08 05:55 AM |
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For your sake, I'll leave that one alone. |
zanne |
Apr-23-08 05:58 AM |
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to answer |
bossy22 |
Apr-24-08 03:52 PM |
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Asks the person who says the govt(military) will drop nukes on the people in the event |
jmg257 |
Apr-24-08 04:18 PM |
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And another thing I've noted about observations such as this, is that the closer one is to the mark |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-22-08 04:50 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Apr-22-08 07:47 PM |
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Gosh n' darn it, what'd I miss in the deleted sub-thread pointing at my humble post here? |
apocalypsehow |
Apr-22-08 10:43 PM |
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I know the feeling. |
Longtooth |
Apr-22-08 10:47 PM |
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this is not a progressive discussion board |
bossy22 |
Apr-22-08 05:12 PM |
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How Progressive |
pipoman |
Apr-23-08 06:25 AM |
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In my youth, four years... |
DrCory |
Apr-22-08 04:43 PM |
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Actually, that's something of a liberal position |
krispos42 |
Apr-23-08 01:01 AM |
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Being in the military teaches a lot of valuable lessons... |
spin |
Apr-24-08 10:59 AM |
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national guard |
bossy22 |
Apr-22-08 03:43 PM |
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The militia is not the National Guard. |
gorfle |
Apr-23-08 08:41 PM |
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Sorry, |
Turbo Teg |
Apr-23-08 10:41 PM |
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Oops, I guess I should have scrolled down a lot more |
Longtooth |
Apr-25-08 08:49 AM |
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Sorry, the National Guard has nothing to do with the militia |
Longtooth |
Apr-25-08 08:47 AM |
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Hmmmm.... |
krispos42 |
Apr-23-08 01:12 AM |
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Conservation sucks for other reasons. |
Firethorn |
Apr-24-08 10:26 AM |
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Ah, not so much. |
benEzra |
Apr-26-08 11:23 PM |
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