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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 04:15 PM
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12. Phony Baloney.
On so many levels, I don't know where to begin.

The United States government routinely "sticks its nose" right in to just about any situation that ruffles its feathers - and I'm not talking about Iraq and other related illegal wars. Let's take a stroll down the lane of U.S. "nose-sticking," and take a look:

Item: as we speak, the United States government is so bent out of shape about the flow of drugs into our country (sparked by a seemingly insatiable craving for such drugs from our citizens) that we have sent para-military law enforcement personnel into any number of Central American nations. Take a long hard look at that sentence again: we are enforcing our laws with our law enforcement personnel on the soil of another country. Of several other countries, in point of fact. Looks a lot like "nose-sticking" to me.

Item: the United States dislikes the government of Cuba, even though it has been decades since Cuba has ever been even the slightest fig of a threat to us (and it never was a very serious one, in any event). So the United States maintains an embargo on that nation out of, oh, I don't, sheer spite I guess you'd say. Now, are we content to just maintain our own embargo and leave it at that? Noooooo, see we routinely bully other nations into curtailing their trade with Cuba, or at least limiting it in any number of ways. This doesn't work with Europe, Canada, and any number of other countries that aren't dependent on our largess: they have all quite properly told us to go pound sand regarding this matter. Others have complied with our government's wishes in any number of ways, and to varying degrees. The point is if that's not doing a little "nose-sticking," I don't know what is.

Item: the United States government has its icky nose stuck deep into the cesspool of right-wing anti-choice politics on a world wide scale. It has promulgated a policy that ties aid to such wispy notions as "abstinence only" in poor and developing countries around the world, as well as noxious anti-choice bullshit. This often involves UN programs that could save any number of poor women's lives, but since Jesus spoke to W and told him how to proceed in these matters, it's been to hell with the women and how would you like a KJV to go with that abstinence only pamphlet? It really is a quite disgusting version of "nose-sticking."

Item: I don't remember the details, and don't really have the time to Google it, but I seem to recall that a few years back Canada or one of the European countries was considering a serious liberalization of its drug laws, particularly related to cannabis. Did the United States government keep its prim nose out of what is, by definition, an internal affair of a sovereign nation? It did not: IIRC there was all sorts of puffery and snorts of outrage, coupled with not so subtle threats to hold up trade deals and the like.

Now, there may well be good reasons that one sovereign nation feels obligated to "stick its nose" into the internal affairs of another. The punitive actions taken by the U.S. against the apartheid government of South Africa was certainly one prime example of some excellent (if overdue) "nose-sticking": that loathsome government deserved to have it internal affairs mucked around with. And a case could be made that our drug laws and the way in which they are being flouted might justify some "nose-sticking" into, say, the internal affairs of Columbia. I don't make the latter case; I just point out one could be made. In this case, one of our neighbors is being harmed by the flow of a product we refuse to properly regulate, to wit, firearms. I dare say that if the roles were reversed, and we perceived that we were being significantly harmed by the flow of an illegal (within our own borders) product that Canada refused to lift one finger about, the Marine Corps would be in Ontario quicker than you can say "the shores of Tripoli," and Stephen Harper would be down in GITMO as a "detainee" awaiting one of our infamous, illegal, and bogus "tribunals."

So please spare us this chest-thumping about those mean Canadians, and their "nose-sticking."

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  -Toronto's foreign policy proposal Fire_Medic_Dave  Apr-09-08 01:06 PM   #0 
  - i have always  melm00se   Apr-09-08 01:24 PM   #1 
  - fascinating  iverglas   Apr-09-08 01:54 PM   #4 
  - Canadians need to keep their noses out of our legislative process  Boomer 50   Apr-09-08 01:33 PM   #2 
  - Awwwwwww  iverglas   Apr-09-08 01:59 PM   #5 
     - I totally agree with you.  newfie11   Apr-09-08 03:04 PM   #7 
  - The US tobacco companies orchestrated smuggling cigarettes into Canada to evade taxation  TheBorealAvenger   Apr-09-08 01:33 PM   #3 
  - Yuppers  iverglas   Apr-09-08 02:14 PM   #6 
  - The legislative districts in Ohio were gerrymandered to take power away from the cities  TheBorealAvenger   Apr-09-08 03:20 PM   #8 
     - those are the very ones  iverglas   Apr-09-08 03:40 PM   #9 
        - The Cleveland newspaper excoriated the legislators who overruled local concealed weapons bans  TheBorealAvenger   Apr-09-08 03:58 PM   #10 
  - And Canadian companies smuggled HUGE amounts  Spoonman   Apr-09-08 07:03 PM   #34 
  - just by the way  iverglas   Apr-09-08 03:59 PM   #11 
  - Phony Baloney.  apocalypsehow   Apr-09-08 04:15 PM   #12 
  - that was us ;)  iverglas   Apr-09-08 04:21 PM   #13 
  - I think you need to reread my original post.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Apr-09-08 05:41 PM   #20 
     - do YOU ever read any of your posts??  iverglas   Apr-09-08 06:08 PM   #23 
        - Did I say that was my opinion????  Fire_Medic_Dave   Apr-10-08 07:59 AM   #57 
  - If Canada has a problem with gun crime, then sentence offenders to life in prison. n/t  jody   Apr-09-08 04:26 PM   #14 
  - if Canada wants jody's advice  iverglas   Apr-09-08 04:42 PM   #15 
     - In all fairness......  Spoonman   Apr-09-08 05:09 PM   #16 
        - Thank you Spoonman!  Hangingon   Apr-09-08 05:13 PM   #17 
        - I keep waiting for that cut and paste job  iverglas   Apr-09-08 06:01 PM   #21 
        - Tell Toronto to PUCKER up,  Spoonman   Apr-09-08 06:36 PM   #26 
        - really??  iverglas   Apr-09-08 06:53 PM   #30 
        - Holly shit they legalized pot in the US?  Spoonman   Apr-09-08 07:18 PM   #36 
           - good fucking god  iverglas   Apr-09-08 10:18 PM   #51 
              - Good fucking god?  Spoonman   Apr-10-08 10:41 AM   #63 
                 - I should be surprised  iverglas   Apr-10-08 11:09 AM   #64 
                    - Thank you,  Spoonman   Apr-10-08 11:41 AM   #66 
                    - I forgot  Spoonman   Apr-10-08 11:57 AM   #68 
                       - "Please show us all where I claimed you stated that the US has legalized pot."  iverglas   Apr-10-08 12:14 PM   #71 
                          - There you go?  Spoonman   Apr-10-08 05:15 PM   #75 
        - "Canadian citizens, hired as mules"! Canada must have lots of happy male donkeys.  jody   Apr-09-08 07:11 PM   #35 
           - That is pretty funny.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Apr-10-08 03:45 PM   #74 
        - By the way, since you asked  Spoonman   Apr-09-08 07:42 PM   #38 
        - And here I was thinking my exile from GD: P wasn't going to be any fun.  apocalypsehow   Apr-09-08 06:57 PM   #32 
           - OK I'll pull your chain  Spoonman   Apr-09-08 07:35 PM   #37 
           - Lord have mercy.  apocalypsehow   Apr-09-08 07:56 PM   #39 
              - Once again  Spoonman   Apr-09-08 08:08 PM   #40 
                 - Here we go round the mulberry bush.  apocalypsehow   Apr-09-08 08:20 PM   #41 
                 - So many fallacies, so little time  Spoonman   Apr-09-08 08:35 PM   #43 
                    - I guess it's just Wednesday evenings, then. Cause you sure are on a roll with it.  apocalypsehow   Apr-09-08 08:42 PM   #45 
                       - Wow, your really having problems with this  Spoonman   Apr-09-08 08:47 PM   #46 
                          - Wow, "your" really having problems with comprehending the words on the screen in front of you, huh?  apocalypsehow   Apr-09-08 08:59 PM   #48 
                             - I have always assumed  iverglas   Apr-09-08 10:28 PM   #53 
                                - You two are real pieces of  Fire_Medic_Dave   Apr-10-08 08:09 AM   #58 
                                - As always,  Spoonman   Apr-10-08 09:45 AM   #61 
                                - LOL. It really is a fascinating encounter with folks who seemingly speak a similar language,  apocalypsehow   Apr-10-08 11:54 AM   #67 
                                   - Try using an umbrella when it rains  Spoonman   Apr-10-08 12:04 PM   #69 
                                   - how dare you!!1!1!  iverglas   Apr-10-08 12:05 PM   #70 
                 - Jeeze Louise, give me a toke of some of that you're having.  apocalypsehow   Apr-09-08 08:39 PM   #44 
                    - Bait and switch?  Spoonman   Apr-09-08 08:54 PM   #47 
                       - Yeah, as in you act like you want to talk about one thing, then pretend you were talking about  apocalypsehow   Apr-09-08 09:04 PM   #49 
                          - Quit while you're behind.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Apr-10-08 08:11 AM   #59 
                             - Debate is like playing poker,  Spoonman   Apr-10-08 09:49 AM   #62 
                             - Uh-huh. I see cognitive dissonance isn't a singular phenomenon in these parts.  apocalypsehow   Apr-10-08 11:37 AM   #65 
           - hee  iverglas   Apr-09-08 10:23 PM   #52 
              - Thanks.  apocalypsehow   Apr-10-08 12:24 PM   #72 
  - Sounds like our problem  Nebor   Apr-09-08 05:15 PM   #18 
  - yeah  iverglas   Apr-09-08 06:02 PM   #22 
     - Answer?  Nebor   Apr-09-08 06:16 PM   #24 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-09-08 06:41 PM   #28 
        - Well what's the solution then?  Nebor   Apr-09-08 06:53 PM   #29 
           - where *do* you get your ideas?  iverglas   Apr-09-08 06:56 PM   #31 
              - Well...  Nebor   Apr-09-08 08:24 PM   #42 
                 - Gordon Bennett  iverglas   Apr-09-08 10:40 PM   #56 
        - "I've carried in pretty much every state in the country, Mexico, Canada, England, France, Germany"  apocalypsehow   Apr-09-08 07:02 PM   #33 
  - No wonder there is such a divide  Spoonman   Apr-09-08 05:39 PM   #19 
  - oh lookie!!!!  iverglas   Apr-09-08 06:22 PM   #25 
     - 35.6%  Spoonman   Apr-09-08 06:40 PM   #27 
  - Adopt our usless laws, and maybe they will work.  Indy Lurker   Apr-09-08 10:09 PM   #50 
  - Once again, it needs to be said...  beevul   Apr-09-08 10:39 PM   #54 
  - Here! Hear!  CHIMO   Apr-09-08 10:40 PM   #55 
  - I have no problem with this.  gorfle   Apr-10-08 08:37 AM   #60 
     - I agree 100%.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Apr-10-08 03:42 PM   #73 
 

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