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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 05:46 PM
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103. you're just all wrong all the time, aren't you?
Line 'em up, knock 'em down:

A knife or sword wound has a much higher chance of being fatal vs. a gun shot wound. Somewhere around 65% vs. 10% if memory serves.
Knives also transfer infection to the wound whereas a bullet does not due to the sterilization of the round during firing.



http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/byname/Neck-Trauma.htm
Mechanisms of injury

Neck trauma may be caused by penetrating or blunt trauma.

Penetrating trauma

More than 95% of penetrating neck wounds result from guns and knives, with the remainder resulting from motor vehicle accidents, household injuries, industrial accidents, and sporting events. Generally, people experiencing a gun shot wound (GSW) sustain greater injury than those with stab wounds because of a bullet's proclivity to penetrate deeper and cause cavitation, thus damaging structures lying outside the tract of the missile.

High-velocity bullet wounds (>2000-2500 ft/s) tend to follow a direct and predictable pathway, while low-velocity bullets travel a more erratic pathway, often demonstrating no direct relationship to the entrance or exit wounds. Additionally, high-velocity bullet wounds produced by military-style weapons or hunting rifles generate shock waves that devitalize surrounding tissues. High-velocity missiles and their ensuing blast effects may suck debris into the wound tract or cause secondary injuries from bullet or bone fragmentation. Low-velocity injuries may be produced by.22- and .38-caliber handguns that have a muzzle speed of 300 ft/s to 800 ft/s. Furthermore, lower-energy injuries (knife, handgun, long-range birdshot or buckshot) cause a 50% lesser frequency of clinically significant injuries no matter what the zone of injury.

Gunshot causes greater injury than stabbing.

Some gunshot wounds are susceptible to infection because they do cause the entry of foreign matter into the wound.

But then I'm sure you know better than David B Levy, DO, FACEP, FAAEM, Chairman, Department of Emergency Medicine, St Elizabeth Health Center; Associate Professor of Emergency Medicine, Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine.

It holds true across borders:

http://caep.ca/template.asp?id=5801084AECB5428D86CC8A8E...
Both types of penetrating trauma can be associated with high-acuity injuries. ... Knives were less likely to result in high-acuity ... injuries than were firearms (1234/39 654 (3.1%) v. 234/586 (39.9%)); however, the number of high-acuity knife-related injuries was more than 5 times greater than those related to firearms (n = 1234 v. n = 234). Hospital admission is a fairly common outcome, with 151 over the study period for firearm-related injuries, and a corresponding 1455 admissions for injuries due to knives or sharp objects, an almost 10-fold difference. However, firearm-related injuries were more likely to result in admission (151/586 (25.7%)) than were knife-related injuries (1455/39 654 (3.7%)). The overall number of deaths in hospital caused by knives (n = 26) and guns (n = 30) were similar even though the case-fatality rate in hospital was much higher for firearm-related injuries (5%) than for knives/sharp-objects-related injuries (0.06%).


There's a start. So whatcha got to back up what you were saying there?


But lets say you do take them all away

Why? I can't think of any reason why I'd say that, myself. Was there some reason you would?

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  - For some in U.S., guns are a hobby like any other davepc  Mar-12-08 02:13 PM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-12-08 02:16 PM   #1 
  - No you're not "just saying"  EricTeri   Mar-12-08 02:20 PM   #3 
     - struck a nerve, huh...?  mike_c   Mar-12-08 02:22 PM   #4 
        - oh! you are so right! It's just so terribly dangerous ....  shireen   Mar-12-08 02:32 PM   #6 
        - that actually happened  bossy22   Mar-12-08 04:38 PM   #22 
           - yes,i remember that ... that was very tragic. nt  shireen   Mar-12-08 09:40 PM   #47 
              - YES, that is.........  Vini_Vidivici   Mar-07-09 11:53 PM   #114 
        - Well yes - being equated to the most vile of criminals...  EricTeri   Mar-12-08 02:32 PM   #7 
        - Mike, I wonder...  virginia mountainman   Mar-12-08 02:35 PM   #9 
        - Not my nerve(s). How has gun collecting ruined anyone else's life?...  SteveM   Mar-12-08 02:41 PM   #12 
        - seeing as you ask  iverglas   Mar-12-08 05:15 PM   #28 
           - The problems in those cases  EricTeri   Mar-12-08 05:51 PM   #29 
           - Yes! I said!  iverglas   Mar-12-08 06:08 PM   #31 
              - I agree entirely.  gorfle   Mar-17-08 12:02 PM   #111 
                 - Absolutely..........  Vini_Vidivici   Mar-07-09 11:49 PM   #113 
                    - Why the hell  yay   Mar-07-09 11:56 PM   #115 
                       - Why not?  Vini_Vidivici   Mar-08-09 12:38 AM   #118 
           - I got an idea  Indy Lurker   Mar-12-08 06:44 PM   #32 
              - well at least you owned it  iverglas   Mar-12-08 06:58 PM   #34 
                 - I See Dumb People  smb   Mar-18-08 01:05 PM   #112 
        - You're not talking about someone's hobby being the ruination of someone else's life  slackmaster   Mar-12-08 06:59 PM   #35 
        - Re: struck a nerve, huh...?  -Wolverine-   Mar-13-08 10:46 AM   #65 
           - most conflicts that involve guns would be much less serious...  mike_c   Mar-13-08 02:04 PM   #68 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-13-08 02:12 PM   #69 
              - I just love that one  iverglas   Mar-13-08 03:03 PM   #71 
                 - Well, normally...  AtheistCrusader   Mar-08-09 12:38 AM   #117 
              - Do you propose..  virginia mountainman   Mar-13-08 06:39 PM   #75 
              - and Ms. Manners politely enquires:  iverglas   Mar-13-08 07:01 PM   #78 
              - Ridiculous  fightthegoodfightnow   Mar-13-08 09:59 PM   #81 
              - Actually, it isn't true.....  Boomer 50   Mar-14-08 04:16 PM   #98 
              - you're just all wrong all the time, aren't you?  iverglas   Mar-14-08 05:46 PM   #103 
              - Negative, that is incorrect..........  Vini_Vidivici   Mar-08-09 12:04 AM   #116 
  - To a lot of people  EricTeri   Mar-12-08 02:17 PM   #2 
  - no... those people aren't completely wrong  Clovis Sangrail   Mar-12-08 02:35 PM   #10 
     - The statement Eric made...  NewMoonTherian   Mar-13-08 02:14 AM   #61 
        - I assume he was using hyperbole in regards to 'all'  Clovis Sangrail   Mar-13-08 07:21 AM   #62 
           - I've seen it here  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-14-08 04:53 PM   #99 
  - target shooting is a hobby too ...  shireen   Mar-12-08 02:22 PM   #5 
  - Excellent way to approach it.  EricTeri   Mar-12-08 02:39 PM   #11 
     - S&W 686  shireen   Mar-12-08 03:08 PM   #16 
        - Excellent choice-Good solid reliable wheelgun.  EricTeri   Mar-12-08 04:05 PM   #20 
           - bizarre  iverglas   Mar-12-08 04:27 PM   #21 
              - Not really  EricTeri   Mar-12-08 04:45 PM   #24 
              - pretty crappy try  iverglas   Mar-12-08 05:02 PM   #27 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-12-08 05:52 PM   #30 
                 - Most of the target shooters I know also carry concealed...  spin   Mar-12-08 09:32 PM   #44 
                    - that's nice  iverglas   Mar-12-08 09:42 PM   #48 
                       - Why do police and the military do it?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-12-08 10:32 PM   #55 
                       - I have know some target shooters who only shot as a hobby...  spin   Mar-12-08 10:37 PM   #56 
                          - yes, and smoking a joint leads to heroin overdoses  iverglas   Mar-12-08 11:13 PM   #59 
                             - See the attached links about snub nosed revolver pocket carry...  spin   Mar-13-08 12:30 AM   #60 
                                - no, you don't  iverglas   Mar-13-08 10:56 AM   #66 
                                   - Canadian or American?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-13-08 01:43 PM   #67 
                                   - Canadian, bien sur!  iverglas   Mar-13-08 02:54 PM   #70 
                                      - Sorry about your Dad  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-13-08 06:25 PM   #74 
                                         - Hmm!  iverglas   Mar-13-08 06:55 PM   #77 
                                   - Now that I know you live in Canada...  spin   Mar-13-08 04:29 PM   #72 
                                   - yes, like I wuz saying  iverglas   Mar-13-08 09:05 PM   #80 
                                      - Yes, there is racism in the United States unfortunately...  spin   Mar-13-08 11:54 PM   #83 
                                      - a funny thing happened on the way to that post  iverglas   Mar-14-08 01:06 AM   #84 
                                         - Thanks for your reply...  spin   Mar-14-08 12:51 PM   #94 
                                      - Your opinion  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-14-08 08:38 AM   #85 
                                         - well, I try  iverglas   Mar-14-08 09:56 AM   #86 
                                            - Confused  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-14-08 11:34 AM   #92 
                                               - confusion  iverglas   Mar-14-08 12:32 PM   #93 
                                               - Don't get defensive  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-14-08 03:21 PM   #96 
                                               - reduction  iverglas   Mar-14-08 05:19 PM   #100 
                                               - Never did answer my other question  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-14-08 03:29 PM   #97 
                                               - lordy lordy lordy  iverglas   Mar-14-08 05:27 PM   #101 
                                               - Another evasive non-answer.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-15-08 05:56 PM   #108 
                                               - jeezus gawd  iverglas   Mar-15-08 08:43 PM   #109 
                                   - Request for Clarification  DrCory   Mar-09-09 05:42 PM   #119 
              - CCW is more of a lifestyle...  virginia mountainman   Mar-12-08 04:50 PM   #25 
              - That would be me.  unclebob   Mar-13-08 06:09 PM   #73 
              - EricTeri was just passing along some information to me ... no sinister meaning hidden in it  shireen   Mar-12-08 07:27 PM   #36 
                 - If you werent in B-more...  EricTeri   Mar-12-08 07:35 PM   #37 
                 - LOL! I assure you I'm not ... but please tell her I said "hi"  shireen   Mar-12-08 07:43 PM   #38 
                 - sure is lucky you're ignoring me  iverglas   Mar-12-08 09:03 PM   #42 
                    - Just one question?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-12-08 09:30 PM   #43 
                       - I give up  iverglas   Mar-12-08 09:38 PM   #45 
                          - Clearly you don't read the Health Forum much.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-12-08 09:48 PM   #50 
                             - clearly I don't pay attention to the ravings  iverglas   Mar-12-08 10:09 PM   #52 
                                - Nice dodge there.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-12-08 10:24 PM   #54 
                                   - I really, really, really am not following your discourse  iverglas   Mar-12-08 10:52 PM   #58 
                                      - Thanks  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-13-08 10:09 AM   #64 
  - Yep, I collect HISTORICAL weapons as well!  virginia mountainman   Mar-12-08 02:34 PM   #8 
  - Some people even have a C & R license.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-12-08 03:01 PM   #13 
     - what's that? nt  shireen   Mar-12-08 03:10 PM   #17 
     - Curio & Relics  davepc   Mar-12-08 03:21 PM   #18 
        - thanks, i'm new to this. still learning the "language"  shireen   Mar-12-08 03:24 PM   #19 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-12-08 04:52 PM   #26 
              - LOL! Keep making an ass of yourself ... it's quite entertaining.  shireen   Mar-12-08 07:49 PM   #39 
              - I will! I will!  iverglas   Mar-12-08 08:52 PM   #41 
              - You are in favor of that too???  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-12-08 09:39 PM   #46 
                 - I'm pretty sure  iverglas   Mar-12-08 09:45 PM   #49 
                    - Not from Atlanta??  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-12-08 09:54 PM   #51 
                       - Atlanta  iverglas   Mar-12-08 10:20 PM   #53 
                          - My apologies.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-12-08 10:37 PM   #57 
     - just got mine  bossy22   Mar-12-08 04:41 PM   #23 
  - Note it is not a machine gun.  gorfle   Mar-12-08 03:03 PM   #14 
  - Shooting is a very enjoyable hobby....  spin   Mar-12-08 03:06 PM   #15 
  - It's more than just a hobby for me  slackmaster   Mar-12-08 06:57 PM   #33 
  - well, that's just silly  shireen   Mar-12-08 07:54 PM   #40 
     - It's for the Children or something  slackmaster   Mar-13-08 09:18 AM   #63 
        - List of Cosponsors..  virginia mountainman   Mar-13-08 06:43 PM   #76 
           - Thanks for Posting Their Names  fightthegoodfightnow   Mar-13-08 10:03 PM   #82 
              - You support government abrogating peoples' property rights without compensation?  slackmaster   Mar-14-08 10:08 AM   #87 
                 - some investments just are riskier than others, aren't they?  iverglas   Mar-14-08 10:47 AM   #88 
                 - The "controversy" regarding ownership of M1 Garand rifles is artificial, based on faulty reasoning  slackmaster   Mar-14-08 10:58 AM   #90 
                 - a question, though  iverglas   Mar-14-08 10:52 AM   #89 
                 - Any possible future sales would be unlikely to generate taxable capital gains  slackmaster   Mar-14-08 11:04 AM   #91 
                 - OK, I just got my annual tax ass-raping and asked my tax accountant about it  slackmaster   Mar-14-08 02:23 PM   #95 
                 - No  fightthegoodfightnow   Mar-14-08 05:37 PM   #102 
                    - If that is true, how can you possibly support HR 1022?  slackmaster   Mar-15-08 11:52 AM   #104 
                       - Easy  fightthegoodfightnow   Mar-15-08 12:13 PM   #105 
                          - Kind of murky, look at Section 6  slackmaster   Mar-15-08 12:23 PM   #106 
                             - Not Following  fightthegoodfightnow   Mar-15-08 12:43 PM   #107 
                                - Because there is no way I can compel a dealer to pay what it would have been worth  slackmaster   Mar-17-08 09:20 AM   #110 
  - Kicked and Rec N/T  DeadEyeDyck   Mar-13-08 07:25 PM   #79 
 

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