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ac2007 Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:26 AM
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63. Some points
One, this is not illegal despite your desire for it to be so. It's personal property and it can be decorated as anyone wishes to.

Two, the Duracoat coatings used here are expensive. It can cost several hundred dollars to have a single gun done up. They will do it in pretty much any color or combination you wish. Frankly, if someone wants to do this and it makes them happy, who cares?

Three, responsible gun owners lock up their guns regardless of colors. Proper child firearms safety training emphasizes that ANYTHING encountered looking like a gun is to be treated as such. "Stop, don't touch, get an adult.". I have green, brown, black and white rifles. They are not toys and are never treated as such.

Which raises the issue of law enforcement.

As a general rule, anything that can be mistaken as a gun when used in a crime, in possession of a criminal or pointed at law enforcement is generally considered to be a firearm even if it isn't. If a criminal acquires an airsoft gun that looks real, uses it to rob a store and gets caught with it, he may well be facing firearms charges. It is what a reasonable person would interpret the item to be under the circumstances. If you use it like a gun and can't tell the difference, the law will often consider to be one.

I personally know of two cases where kids playing with replica airsoft guns in public have been nearly shot by police. The issue is not the guns; it is the parents. When I used to sell these to kids (which required their parents to be present), I would explain to them that it is illegal to play with them in public and if caught with one, you could be shot. The police would consider it a real gun regardless of orange tip and act accordingly. The looks on the parents faces was one of shock and the message got sunk in. I never wanted to see any kids shot for stupidity.

If the problem is the fear of children finding such a gun improperly stored (it is illegal in most states to leave a firearm unsecured where an unsupervised minor could gain access to it) and treating it as a toy, the issue is the education of the child. If this is a threat in our communities, then maybe we need stern, serious firearm safety training in schools and teach kids properly and to get an adult.

Even then, a kid could still shoot someone. No law or practice is perfect and there will always be stupid, stubborn or simply curious kids where their curiousity overrides their education. In such a case, the person who left such a firearm open for access should be punished.

Stop blaming the gun. A determination of "sick" is a personal one. I, for one, don't much care for pink AR-15s. However, if my daughter wanted pink handguards, grip and stock on her target rifle to keep her interest high in target shooting, I'd be happy to spend the money. Such as the girl pictured with such a rifle above.

If it offends you, you have the freedom to look away. You don't have the freedom to dictate your personal disgust on others as holy writ or law.
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  -Wisconsin gun dealer paints guns to look like children's toys. zanne  Mar-05-08 05:35 PM   #0 
  - WOW!  proud2Blib   Mar-05-08 05:37 PM   #1 
  - Ohhh, for the love of...  DrCory   Mar-05-08 05:42 PM   #2 
  - Ahm.  lefty_mcduff   Mar-05-08 05:48 PM   #6 
  - Not really...  DrCory   Mar-06-08 05:29 AM   #44 
  - This is very old news. Go back through the DU Guns archives...  SteveM   Mar-06-08 03:06 PM   #76 
  - Cops already  L1A1Rocker   Mar-10-08 05:04 PM   #105 
  - personally, I want my very own "Thomas the AR-15".  ulysses   Mar-05-08 05:48 PM   #7 
  - And in this free country you should be able to have it.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-10-08 05:05 PM   #106 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-05-08 06:17 PM   #16 
  - My girlfriend wants the hello kitty  Turbo Teg   Mar-06-08 05:54 PM   #86 
  - Start saving for Christmas!  L1A1Rocker   Mar-10-08 05:06 PM   #107 
  - A banned color is any color that an anti-gunner finds offensive.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-10-08 05:03 PM   #103 
  - That tells you all you need to know about gun dealers, and their apologists  villager   Mar-05-08 05:44 PM   #3 
  - not all gun dealers are doing this  Maine-ah   Mar-05-08 05:55 PM   #10 
  - Thank God for responsible gun owners like you.  zanne   Mar-05-08 06:41 PM   # 
  - My daughter is getting a pink "cricket" for Christmas this year.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-10-08 05:14 PM   #108 
  - Dealer is just trying to sell guns.  DiktatrW   Mar-05-08 05:57 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-05-08 06:12 PM   #12 
  - You wouldn't know an asshat from  DiktatrW   Mar-05-08 06:24 PM   #18 
     - Witty retort, Dik. nt  zanne   Mar-05-08 06:38 PM   #23 
     - Thanks zany. n/t  DiktatrW   Mar-05-08 06:41 PM   # 
     - No I don't blame my car, I blame my beer.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-10-08 05:16 PM   #109 
  - "Just trying to sell guns." It's hard out here for a pimp.  villager   Mar-05-08 06:29 PM   #21 
     - Petty tyrants  DiktatrW   Mar-05-08 06:41 PM   #24 
  - I know It's great, isn't it?  Turbo Teg   Mar-06-08 08:12 PM   #89 
  - Saw this on Du a few weeks ago  walldude   Mar-05-08 05:46 PM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-05-08 06:14 PM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-05-08 06:41 PM   #25 
  - Maybe you ought to re-read my post  walldude   Mar-05-08 06:43 PM   #27 
  - My bad, wall dude. Sorry.  zanne   Mar-06-08 06:12 AM   #47 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-06-08 02:59 PM   #75 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-06-08 05:06 PM   #85 
        - my, my, my  iverglas   Mar-07-08 12:26 PM   #94 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-07-08 01:54 PM   #95 
  - And?  EstimatedProphet   Mar-05-08 05:48 PM   #5 
  - When they ban pink Hello Kitty rifles  slackmaster   Mar-05-08 05:49 PM   #8 
  - I have seen pics of such guns (pink etc,) never thought much, but you are right - this is F&^%ed up.  jmg257   Mar-05-08 05:50 PM   #9 
  - That's why you keep them locked up -nt  sergeiAK   Mar-05-08 07:04 PM   #32 
     - Don't use logic here!! We are currently expressing dissatisfaction with free speech!  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 12:24 PM   #114 
  - This people are sick, demented, anti-social  malaise   Mar-05-08 06:14 PM   #14 
  - Huh?  DrCory   Mar-06-08 05:20 AM   #43 
  - Do you guys all IM each other...  zanne   Mar-06-08 06:17 AM   #49 
     - "You guys" meaning what?  DrCory   Mar-06-08 06:31 AM   #53 
     - Some people only post when the subject is guns.  zanne   Mar-06-08 06:46 AM   #56 
     - Nope, their just is allot more PRO gun Democrats..  virginia mountainman   Mar-06-08 08:57 PM   #90 
  - Hell, women and some kids WANT another color...  SteveM   Mar-06-08 07:41 PM   #88 
  - No, it's artistic expression.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 12:24 PM   #115 
  - I want a SpongeBob Sig!  elehhhhna   Mar-05-08 06:15 PM   #15 
  - I think it's a fantastic idea.  D__S   Mar-05-08 06:18 PM   #17 
  - How does making a deadly weapon look like a toy  wtmusic   Mar-05-08 06:25 PM   #19 
  - What's preventing them from doing it with a "realistic" looking firearm?  D__S   Mar-05-08 06:34 PM   #22 
     - I'd say the first step in making them realize they aren't toys  Lautremont   Mar-05-08 06:41 PM   #26 
     - It's not like these things are laying around playgrounds...  D__S   Mar-05-08 06:51 PM   #30 
     - Next: Drano in soda bottles  wtmusic   Mar-05-08 11:03 PM   #40 
        - You might like this...  SteveM   Mar-10-08 04:59 PM   #102 
  - Nice looking Mossberg.  DiktatrW   Mar-05-08 08:16 PM   #35 
  - I took a slightly different approach  Mugu   Mar-05-08 09:35 PM   #39 
  - D__S, Why the pistol grip only?  WWFZD   Mar-10-08 06:41 PM   #110 
  - It's been going on for years  michreject   Mar-05-08 06:26 PM   #20 
  - The horror, the horror.  aikoaiko   Mar-05-08 06:45 PM   #28 
  - Giv'em time.  D__S   Mar-05-08 07:05 PM   #33 
  - This is probably against copyright laws anyhow.  yankeeinlouisiana   Mar-05-08 06:46 PM   #29 
  - They use Hello Kitty stickers to avoid that problem.  sergeiAK   Mar-05-08 07:03 PM   #31 
  - Bakeries CAN decorate cakes with frosted Mickeys  jmowreader   Mar-05-08 07:23 PM   #34 
  - were the weapons less dangerous when they were basic black?  Neo   Mar-05-08 08:28 PM   #36 
  - Contact information for Lauer Custom Weaponry: Mike Nahorniak LCW/DuraCoat  bobthedrummer   Mar-05-08 08:46 PM   #37 
  - If you consider this...  DrCory   Mar-06-08 05:51 AM   #46 
  - HaHaHa LOL HaHaHa  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 12:26 PM   #116 
  - No. It's art.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 12:26 PM   #117 
  - its art. n/t  HuffleClaw   Mar-05-08 09:20 PM   #38 
  - my question is, who would want a gun that looks like this  galadrium   Mar-05-08 11:13 PM   #41 
  - They're made to appeal to women  slackmaster   Mar-06-08 03:43 PM   #78 
  - That would explain this..  SoCalDem   Mar-06-08 03:02 AM   #42 
  - I realize that most of you gun guys aren't serious about what you're saying here.  zanne   Mar-06-08 06:14 AM   #48 
  - Hah!!.. I am probably the most ANTI-gun person you would ever meet..  SoCalDem   Mar-06-08 06:18 AM   #50 
  - Wow. I did it again. Sorry, SoCalDem  zanne   Mar-06-08 06:27 AM   #51 
     - No problem.. I've been there-done that  SoCalDem   Mar-06-08 06:31 AM   #52 
  - I defend the freedom of artistic expression, distasteful or otherwise. N/T  DrCory   Mar-06-08 06:35 AM   #55 
  - So let me ask you...  zanne   Mar-06-08 06:50 AM   #58 
     - Absolutely, yes...  DrCory   Mar-06-08 04:13 PM   #81 
        - I know you're not serious about approving of pink guns with decals..  zanne   Mar-09-08 11:16 AM   #99 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-09-08 11:31 AM   #100 
           - I am absolutely serious...  DrCory   Mar-10-08 05:49 AM   #101 
           - I prefer fuchsia and lemon-lime.  SteveM   Mar-10-08 05:03 PM   #104 
           - I saw some Bright blue  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 03:55 PM   #119 
           - Tisk, Tisk there Zane. Please don't call people liars.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 03:53 PM   #118 
  - Speaking for myself, I think the FSA/Bloomberg freakout about colored competition guns  benEzra   Mar-06-08 11:01 AM   #66 
  - LOL! (n/t)  benEzra   Mar-06-08 10:51 AM   #65 
  - This isn't about being pro-gun or anti-gun, it is about responsible gun ownership IMHO  MiniMe   Mar-06-08 05:47 AM   #45 
  - If the owner keeps it locked up, what difference does it make what it looks like?  slackmaster   Mar-06-08 03:44 PM   #79 
  - I hope the "Hello Kitty" lawyers end up owning this idiot's gun shop.  Vinca   Mar-06-08 06:32 AM   #54 
  - What real danger is posed by these guns?  Nabeshin   Mar-06-08 06:46 AM   #57 
  - They pose a danger to CHILDREN.  zanne   Mar-06-08 06:54 AM   #59 
     - You'd keep that in a safe, same as for a black gun.  benEzra   Mar-06-08 10:48 AM   #64 
     - No more so than a regular-painted rifle  krispos42   Mar-06-08 12:29 PM   #70 
     - I agree 100% n/t  SecularNATION   Mar-06-08 04:56 PM   #84 
     - Which law?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-06-08 03:10 PM   #77 
     - Well  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 04:00 PM   #120 
  - Fake Picture????  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-06-08 09:57 AM   #60 
  - I'm astounded  Redneck Socialist   Mar-06-08 10:09 AM   #61 
  - Any stats??  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-06-08 10:18 AM   #62 
  - Why worry with stats?  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 04:02 PM   #121 
  - Some points  ac2007   Mar-06-08 10:26 AM   #63 
  - It seems that that the sky is always falling in FSA land  Hoosier lawyer   Mar-06-08 11:32 AM   #67 
  - HaHaHa, funny post  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 04:04 PM   #123 
  - Does anyone here remember the old "cap" guns?  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 04:04 PM   #122 
  - Last time I checked..  virginia mountainman   Mar-06-08 11:35 AM   #68 
  - BULLSHIT!  slackmaster   Mar-06-08 03:46 PM   #80 
  - Not as fast as mine Slack...  virginia mountainman   Mar-06-08 04:26 PM   #82 
  - Yep, that's what my daughter is getting this Christmas. (pink)  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 04:06 PM   #124 
  - Let's ban red cars too!  DonP   Mar-06-08 11:46 AM   #69 
  - Oh horrors, it's a COLORED GUN!!!!  gorfle   Mar-06-08 12:34 PM   #71 
  - Good post gorfle  WWFZD   Mar-06-08 07:24 PM   #87 
  - Hey, no "COLORED!" That went out with Civil Rights Act of 1964...  SteveM   Mar-07-08 11:02 AM   #93 
  - technically  bossy22   Mar-06-08 01:14 PM   #72 
  - Ultimately  EricTeri   Mar-06-08 01:25 PM   #73 
  - Ah, I didn't notice the California grip...most definitely intended as wry commentary. (n/t)  benEzra   Mar-06-08 02:35 PM   #74 
  - Yeah, I just noticed that...  krispos42   Mar-09-08 01:09 AM   #98 
  - Painted guns and competitive shooters...  benEzra   Mar-06-08 04:41 PM   #83 
  - I love the end of the story.  NewMoonTherian   Mar-06-08 09:14 PM   #91 
  - What's "beyond sick"  chunkstyle5   Mar-07-08 06:05 AM   #92 
  - Who cares?  -Wolverine-   Mar-08-08 10:32 PM   #96 
  - The artwork is simply a Dura Coat  DeadEyeDyck   Mar-08-08 11:13 PM   #97 
  - If my wife.........  nuclearfishin   Mar-10-08 07:45 PM   #111 
  - What a sick fuck.. Just fucking put Fisher Price across the damn thing.  Xenotime   Mar-11-08 02:02 AM   #112 
     - That gun was a political statement...look at the grip.  benEzra   Mar-11-08 11:11 AM   #113 
     - You'r post  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 04:08 PM   #126 
     - Grow up. Please.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-11-08 04:07 PM   #125 

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