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Obama was a board member of the Joyce Foundation that funds VPC to ban handguns.
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Joyce Foundation, “The largest single grantee has been the Violence Policy Center, which received $4,154,970 between 1996 and 2006, and calls for an outright ban on handguns, semi-automatic and other firearms, and substantial restrictions on gun owners.”

VPC Releases New Handgun Ban Study, Unsafe in Any Hands: Why America Needs to Ban Handguns

Violence Policy Center, “It was recently revealed by a check on the BATFE's FFL eZCheck system that Executive Director Josh Sugarmann is the holder of a Type 01 FFL. This authorizes him to buy and sell guns in the District of Columbia. Many gun rights advocates have accused him of hypocrisy for his work to shut down other dealers.”

Obama as board member of the Joyce Foundation

Presumably as a member of the Joyce Foundation board, Obama approved funding for the Violence Policy Center whose primary purpose is to ban handguns used by law-abiding citizens for self-defense.

I wonder how Obama’s involvement in efforts to ban handguns will be received by 73% of voters who disagree with him?

“Nearly three out of four Americans — 73% — believe the Second Amendment spells out an individual right to own a firearm, according to a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll of 1,016 adults taken Feb. 8-10.”
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  Obama was a board member of the Joyce Foundation that funds VPC to ban handguns. jody  Feb-28-08 02:54 PM   #0 
   I thought the Joyce Foundation was a right wing tool  LiberalFighter   Feb-28-08 02:56 PM   #1 
   It is a right wing tool and the VPC is NOT trying to "ban" guns.  zanne   Mar-01-08 01:38 PM   #157 
      yeah, they just love the 50cal (satellites, SR71's, holes in the moon, blahblahblah) n/t  Tejas   Apr-28-08 01:01 AM   #264 
   Perhaps your right. Perhaps we should nominate Charlton Heston.  GodlessBiker   Feb-28-08 03:00 PM   #2 
   no thanks, i like to vote for pro-RKBA Democrats...  app_farmer_rb   Feb-28-08 09:52 PM   #99 
   This makes him even more attractive in my book.  sellitman   Feb-28-08 03:01 PM   #3 
   Why??  virginia mountainman   Feb-28-08 03:09 PM   #6 
   Because  sellitman   Feb-28-08 04:08 PM   #18 
      "making them illegal is a good start"! Don't you know that voters thought Gore and Kerry were  jody   Feb-28-08 04:13 PM   #19 
      Most Americans are pro-gun control.  zanne   Mar-01-08 01:46 PM   #159 
         Wrong  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 09:24 AM   #166 
            Sigh. No, YOU are wrong, brand-new gun guy from who-knows -where...  zanne   Mar-02-08 11:59 AM   #174 
               I knew someone would quote the flawed NORC report. The Joyce Foundation funds the prestigious  jody   Mar-02-08 12:27 PM   #176 
               So the reports you refer to would have to be flawed also...  zanne   Mar-02-08 02:18 PM   #179 
                  Which report that I quoted depends upon surveys of people? n/t  jody   Mar-02-08 03:42 PM   #189 
                  Not much, unfortuantly...  Firethorn   Apr-24-08 04:41 PM   #257 
               We can pull polls  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 02:06 PM   #177 
               You have your polls and statistics, I have mine.  zanne   Mar-02-08 02:16 PM   #178 
                  please  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 02:22 PM   #180 
                  Use your head.  zanne   Mar-02-08 02:27 PM   #181 
                     I will not vote for  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 02:33 PM   #182 
                        Gun Ownership Declining in U.S.  zanne   Mar-02-08 02:59 PM   #185 
                           Well...  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 03:23 PM   #187 
                           So you don't like the idea of a decline in gun ownership?  zanne   Mar-03-08 08:01 AM   #194 
                              Not at all.  Turbo Teg   Mar-03-08 08:41 AM   #195 
                              You have your interpretation of the 2nd, I have mine...  zanne   Mar-03-08 08:56 AM   #196 
                              Soon,  Turbo Teg   Mar-03-08 09:10 AM   #197 
                              So I take it you're happy with the Right Wing conservative bias in the SCOTUS.  zanne   Mar-03-08 09:21 AM   #198 
                              I want them  Turbo Teg   Mar-03-08 09:42 AM   #200 
                              As I assumed, you did not answer my question.  zanne   Mar-03-08 09:53 AM   #201 
                              Then I assume you didn't read posts 237 or 234.  Turbo Teg   Mar-03-08 09:56 AM   #202 
                              I meant to say 237 and 244  Turbo Teg   Mar-03-08 11:15 AM   #210 
                              Um, he DID answer you questions. Now it's your turn to answer his.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-03-08 02:15 PM   #218 
                              Why do you equate  L1A1Rocker   Mar-03-08 02:13 PM   #217 
                              Right wingers interpret the consitution to according to their own beliefs.  zanne   Mar-04-08 03:55 PM   #226 
                              I think you were looking in the mirror when you wrote that. LOL  L1A1Rocker   Mar-04-08 08:23 PM   #227 
                              My interpretation  Turbo Teg   Mar-04-08 08:27 PM   #228 
                              Sounds reasonable to me.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-03-08 02:11 PM   #216 
                              It's not about interpretation  L1A1Rocker   Mar-03-08 02:10 PM   #215 
                              You're saying GOD gives you the right to CCW?  zanne   Mar-05-08 08:34 AM   #230 
                              What's it to you  Turbo Teg   Mar-05-08 09:21 AM   #231 
                              FYI, I have been a victim of violence...  zanne   Mar-05-08 11:26 AM   #235 
                              Well, I'm glad  Turbo Teg   Mar-05-08 06:47 PM   #245 
                              Heh...  Firethorn   Apr-24-08 04:57 PM   #258 
                              Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-05-08 11:31 AM   #237 
                              What makes gun ownership sick?  L1A1Rocker   Mar-03-08 02:08 PM   #214 
                                 Guns are made to wound and kill.  zanne   Mar-05-08 10:06 AM   #232 
                                    That's right  Turbo Teg   Mar-05-08 06:57 PM   #246 
                                    Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-05-08 07:33 PM   #248 
                           yes  bossy22   Mar-02-08 03:53 PM   #191 
                           In #210 I showed the NORC report was biased because the gun-ban Joyce Foundation paid for it. Are  jody   Mar-02-08 04:08 PM   #192 
                              Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-03-08 09:22 AM   #199 
                                 The Joyce Foundation paid for the NORC section on firearms and Joyce wants to ban handguns,  jody   Mar-03-08 12:35 PM   #213 
                                 zanne, please answer my question in #213. n/t  jody   Mar-04-08 09:37 PM   #229 
                                    I'm not going to search for your question.  zanne   Mar-05-08 11:29 AM   #236 
                                       The sequence of post numbers has been changed because someone had several posts deleted.  jody   Mar-05-08 12:44 PM   #238 
                                          And I'll say AGAIN....  zanne   Mar-05-08 01:23 PM   #241 
                                          I supported my position with facts and you rely upon your opinion. Readers know who won and lost. nt  jody   Mar-05-08 04:59 PM   #242 
                                          I had facts. The fact that you reject them means nothing to me.  zanne   Mar-05-08 05:23 PM   #243 
                                          Have a good day and good bye. n/t  jody   Mar-05-08 05:29 PM   #244 
                  Here you go.  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 02:48 PM   #184 
                     Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-08 03:05 PM   #186 
                        Sure,  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 03:41 PM   #188 
                        I was referring to the "Democratic" in "Democratic" Underground...  zanne   Mar-03-08 07:31 AM   #193 
                           Please annotate that rule Zane.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-03-08 02:18 PM   #219 
                           Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-03-08 02:19 PM   #220 
                        Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-02-08 03:51 PM   #190 
               Whoa.  radioburning   Apr-28-08 12:50 PM   #267 
               So, being new to this forum and being from "who-knows-where" automatically makes you wrong?  radioburning   May-03-08 02:59 PM   #272 
      You're welcome to your opinion.  EricTeri   Feb-28-08 05:12 PM   #27 
         No thanks, but thanks for the offer.  sellitman   Feb-28-08 05:45 PM   #31 
         SCOTUS may settle the issue in D.C. v. Heller next month. n/t  jody   Feb-28-08 05:49 PM   #33 
         You going to come enforce the law?  EricTeri   Feb-28-08 05:53 PM   #38 
         Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-01-08 01:59 PM   #161 
         "Gun Nuts" are not shooting each other. Criminals are shooting  Hangingon   Feb-28-08 06:07 PM   #47 
         So you plan to move 80 million armed people against their will?  sergeiAK   Feb-28-08 06:34 PM   #69 
         Wrong again  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 09:27 AM   #167 
         Sure thing Eric  sellitman   Mar-01-08 01:24 PM   #156 
         Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-01-08 01:56 PM   #160 
         It sounds quite American  EricTeri   Mar-03-08 02:47 PM   #225 
         Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-01-08 01:40 PM   #158 
   "Banning handguns?" Like marijuana? ...  SteveM   Feb-29-08 10:26 AM   #143 
   Good god..  virginia mountainman   Feb-28-08 03:02 PM   #4 
   Apparently, Obama was in solid with Joyce Foundation because he considered becoming its president.  jody   Feb-28-08 03:12 PM   #8 
   As soon as he gets the nomination  ac2007   Feb-28-08 04:35 PM   #21 
      Most Americans APPROVE of gun guntrol...  zanne   Mar-01-08 02:01 PM   #162 
         Actually, that's not true  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 09:35 AM   #168 
         No....The American people have stated that they want MORE gun control.  zanne   Mar-02-08 12:02 PM   #175 
            No.  Turbo Teg   Mar-03-08 11:28 AM   #211 
            Please source your claim. I have not seen that anywhere.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-03-08 02:27 PM   #222 
         Please source that assertion. I'd like to see that one.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-03-08 02:26 PM   #221 
         Actually, most Americans APPROVE of you not talking out of your ass...  radioburning   May-03-08 03:16 PM   #273 
   Are you voting for McCain?  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 03:08 PM   #5 
   Name ONE TIME..  virginia mountainman   Feb-28-08 03:10 PM   #7 
   Are you supporting McCain? n/t  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 03:42 PM   #12 
   No.  jody   Feb-28-08 03:13 PM   #9 
   How does the OP support our Democrats? n/t  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 03:43 PM   #13 
      Would you rather discuss the facts now or later, say the last few weeks of the GE? Sooner or later  jody   Feb-28-08 03:47 PM   #15 
      bingo  sepulveda   Feb-28-08 03:54 PM   #17 
      66% support stricter handgun laws  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 04:35 PM   #22 
      I don't support the NRA, I support the Democratic Party on RKBA, you do not. The Dem Party says "We  jody   Feb-28-08 05:24 PM   #28 
      it needs to be changed  sepulveda   Feb-28-08 05:43 PM   #30 
      As I said in another post, SCOTUS may settle that issue next month in D.C. v. Heller. n/t  jody   Feb-28-08 05:51 PM   #35 
         well yes  sepulveda   Feb-28-08 05:59 PM   #43 
            In any case, we will be bound by the SCOTUS decision. n/t  jody   Feb-28-08 06:11 PM   #53 
               i agree  sepulveda   Feb-28-08 08:15 PM   #84 
      The Party also supports reasonable regulation  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 05:49 PM   #32 
         If by "reasonable restriction of handguns in cities" you mean ban, please provide a source for your  jody   Feb-28-08 05:53 PM   #37 
         I don't give a fuck what the voters want  EricTeri   Feb-28-08 06:01 PM   #45 
         Some people believe individual rights  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:24 PM   #62 
         I agree with you  EricTeri   Feb-28-08 06:28 PM   #65 
         because  sepulveda   Feb-28-08 08:17 PM   #85 
         Tell me how protesting a war infringes  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 08:56 PM   #87 
            I've already explained how a parade can impact others.  EricTeri   Feb-29-08 12:19 PM   #148 
            Well, first off  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 09:49 AM   #169 
         So you preferr to restrict the rights of gun owners rather  L1A1Rocker   Mar-03-08 02:34 PM   #224 
         I'm sure you don't care about anybody's rights but your own.  zanne   Mar-02-08 08:07 AM   #163 
         So you're a Fascist?  zanne   Mar-05-08 10:08 AM   #233 
            Facist?  EricTeri   Mar-05-08 01:19 PM   #240 
         What the voters want???  virginia mountainman   Feb-28-08 08:07 PM   #82 
         I do not believe that banning handguns is reasonable.  L1A1Rocker   Mar-03-08 02:32 PM   #223 
      90% do not know that what they want already is the law.  ManiacJoe   Feb-28-08 10:33 PM   #115 
      They know about the gun show and newspaper ad loopholes. nt  zanne   Mar-02-08 08:27 AM   #165 
      And in 1993, a majority of americans wanted universal health care  krispos42DU Moderator   Feb-29-08 05:08 AM   #136 
      Thank you, thank you for that!  zanne   Mar-02-08 08:25 AM   #164 
      I'll call you out  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 10:12 AM   #170 
         I'll call YOU out every time you say that Americans AREN'T for gun control.  zanne   Mar-02-08 11:57 AM   #173 
            Well then here you go.  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 02:48 PM   #183 
      And I can show you polls that show otherwise. Polls are BS.  Turbo Teg   Mar-05-08 09:10 PM   #250 
      exactly  facepalm   Apr-28-08 07:21 AM   #266 
      Not another "Lockstep" Democrat!  DonP   Feb-28-08 04:25 PM   #20 
      Are you supporting McCain? n/t  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 04:36 PM   #23 
         When did you stop beating your dog?  DonP   Feb-28-08 04:43 PM   #24 
      Will I do? I voted for Obama, despite his "stinky and snorey" 2A stand...  SteveM   Feb-29-08 10:38 AM   #144 
   he SAYS he does  sepulveda   Feb-28-08 03:22 PM   #11 
      Are you supporting McCain? n/t  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 03:43 PM   #14 
         no  sepulveda   Feb-28-08 03:53 PM   #16 
            Does he support CCW registration of gun owners?  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 04:47 PM   #25 
               You are aware that is illegal?  ac2007   Feb-28-08 05:04 PM   #26 
               CCW is a registry  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 05:50 PM   #34 
                  CCW is not a registry. A CCW is a permit recognizing a law-abiding citizen is exercising her/his  jody   Feb-28-08 05:56 PM   #40 
                  It registers individual people n/t  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:09 PM   #51 
                     And people with a CCW may or not possess handguns. n/t  jody   Feb-28-08 06:12 PM   #54 
                        Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-28-08 06:17 PM   #59 
                  Children have died  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 10:22 AM   #171 
               no, it's not  sepulveda   Feb-28-08 05:40 PM   #29 
               Every civil right has limits, every single one  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 05:52 PM   #36 
                  Speech, and the other rights are not regulated or restricted  EricTeri   Feb-28-08 05:56 PM   #39 
                  You have to get a permit to have a parade  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:02 PM   #46 
                     And you have to do those things because the exercise of your right  EricTeri   Feb-28-08 06:09 PM   #48 
                     And having a gun "could" limit someone's life  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:10 PM   #52 
                        I could limit someone's life in a variety of ways  EricTeri   Feb-28-08 06:14 PM   #56 
                           So don't infringe any other right either  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:17 PM   #58 
                              Not quite  EricTeri   Feb-28-08 06:31 PM   #67 
                                 Like the protest or parade,  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:48 PM   #73 
                                    Thats right - it DOES depend upon what you do with it.  EricTeri   Feb-28-08 07:03 PM   #80 
                                       So the city has to be aware of people gathering to talk  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 08:58 PM   #88 
                                          If a city is not aware there is crime  EricTeri   Feb-29-08 02:53 PM   #152 
                     Not quite right.  ManiacJoe   Feb-28-08 10:47 PM   #117 
                  Regulated yes but not banning handguns and that is what BO supported when he was considered for the  jody   Feb-28-08 05:58 PM   #42 
                  He supports cities making their own laws  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:09 PM   #49 
                     You misrepresent VPC's position which is to ban handguns. BO could have headed Joyce and he  jody   Feb-28-08 06:14 PM   #57 
                     He believes in letting cities decide  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:20 PM   #61 
                        That's his latest statement made for political purposes. Who knows what BO believes with his changes  jody   Feb-28-08 06:26 PM   #63 
                           Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-28-08 06:27 PM   #64 
                              I'm simply pointing out that BO has changed his position as many have pointed out. n/t  jody   Feb-28-08 06:32 PM   #68 
                                 And I'm pointing out your intent is to smear him and Democrats n/t  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:42 PM   #71 
                                    How can reporting facts that will come up in the GE be a smear? You are letting your emotions  jody   Feb-28-08 06:53 PM   #75 
                                       Because it doesn't matter what his position is or ever was  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:58 PM   #77 
                                          This forum is to discuss a very divisive issue that has cost we Dems the last two elections for  jody   Feb-28-08 07:06 PM   #81 
                                             No, an issue completely concocted and fueled by the NRA n/t  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 08:55 PM   #86 
                                             sure. just like choice and abortion rights were an issued completely concoted and fueled by NARAL  sepulveda   Feb-28-08 09:00 PM   #89 
                                             No, that was completely concocted by right wing groups  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 09:16 PM   #91 
                                             And the debate is....  krispos42DU Moderator   Feb-29-08 05:33 AM   #138 
                                             I see we disagree on the importance of RKBA to Dem candidates in many areas. Since you ignore the  jody   Feb-28-08 09:20 PM   #92 
                                             Until people like you stop distorting  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 09:36 PM   #94 
                                             Please tell me one thing I've distorted? n/t  jody   Feb-28-08 09:39 PM   #95 
                                             Obama wants to ban handguns  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 09:44 PM   #97 
                                             Read the OP again. I said BO was on the board of the Joyce Foundation, that it funded VPC, and VPC  jody   Feb-28-08 09:50 PM   #98 
                                             #57 and #66  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 09:56 PM   #101 
                                             sandnsea you really are reading to casually before you jump to false conclusions. I said:  jody   Feb-28-08 10:18 PM   #109 
                                             And then said he's "changed his position"  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 10:22 PM   #113 
                                             As I proved, you distorted my two posts. Either just stop already or apologize for your error. n/t  jody   Feb-28-08 10:26 PM   #114 
                                             It's the only logical conclusion  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 10:51 PM   # 
                                             Why not go back to the OP and deal with the facts about BO & Joyce & VPC. You can't explain those  jody   Feb-29-08 07:25 AM   #141 
                                             You are clearly in denial.  beevul   Feb-28-08 10:51 PM   #118 
                                             More like an issue created by Brady...  Firethorn   Apr-24-08 05:11 PM   #259 
                     That's fine  Turbo Teg   Mar-02-08 10:42 AM   #172 
                  nobody  sepulveda   Feb-28-08 06:00 PM   #44 
                  If you twist his views  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:12 PM   #55 
                     i haven't twisted anything  sepulveda   Feb-28-08 08:14 PM   #83 
                     Which views would those be?  beevul   Feb-28-08 10:55 PM   #120 
                  And regarding Constitutional rights, the limits are very strict.  krispos42DU Moderator   Feb-29-08 05:26 AM   #137 
               Dean supported the AWB *in 2004*, but dropped it in '06 as part of the 50 State Strategy.  benEzra   Feb-28-08 05:57 PM   #41 
               VPC wants a draconian AWB. BO was a bd mbr and almost pres. of the Joyce Foundation that funds VPC.  jody   Feb-28-08 06:09 PM   #50 
               Just what is "nutbally"?  Hangingon   Feb-28-08 06:20 PM   #60 
                  Then don't distort the Dem Party gun position  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:29 PM   #66 
                     sandnsea I believe you've said that you want to ban handguns, have you changed? n/t  jody   Feb-28-08 06:35 PM   #70 
                     I have never ever said that, not ever  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:43 PM   #72 
                        Then you oppose bans on handguns? n/t  jody   Feb-28-08 06:54 PM   #76 
                           I oppose 100% ban on all handguns, yes n/t  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 06:59 PM   #78 
                              Which law-abiding citizens would you allow to possess handguns for self-defense? n/t  jody   Feb-28-08 07:02 PM   #79 
                                 I would place limits on sales  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 09:06 PM   #90 
                                    OK, what additional people would you add to 18 USC 922 I quote below?  jody   Feb-28-08 09:31 PM   #93 
                                    We don't have any enforcement  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 09:42 PM   #96 
                                       Please provide credible source that any pro-RKBA group opposes aggressive enforcement of existing  jody   Feb-28-08 09:56 PM   #102 
                                       Please show me funding proposals  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 09:57 PM   #103 
                                          The entire BATF budget? -nt  sergeiAK   Feb-28-08 10:02 PM   #105 
                                          To monitor who has guns?  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 10:08 PM   #107 
                                          They enforce the laws. You asked for an example of funding to do so.  sergeiAK   Feb-28-08 10:22 PM   #112 
                                          I was talking about specific proposals  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 10:53 PM   #119 
                                          Law enforcement doesn't prosecutor, they investigate  ac2007   Feb-28-08 11:05 PM   #123 
                                          You're proving my point  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 11:28 PM   #126 
                                          Last I checked, you asked for funding proposals.  sergeiAK   Feb-28-08 11:16 PM   #124 
                                          NRA screwed that bill up  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 11:31 PM   #127 
                                          With insisting on an appeals process?  sergeiAK   Feb-28-08 11:36 PM   #128 
                                          That's all the bill is now  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 11:47 PM   #129 
                                          The rest of the bill is still there  sergeiAK   Feb-28-08 11:50 PM   #130 
                                          The bill to restore gun rights  sandnsea   Feb-29-08 12:15 AM   #131 
                                          You're quoting Sugarmann. Try quoting the legislation  sergeiAK   Feb-29-08 12:19 AM   #132 
                                          Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-29-08 12:58 AM   #135 
                                          So the NRA is also extremely biased?  sergeiAK   Feb-29-08 08:45 AM   #142 
                                          What's wrong with an appeal process?  Firethorn   Apr-28-08 02:23 PM   #268 
                                          It certainly did. That good ole' gun lobby...  zanne   Mar-05-08 12:44 PM   #239 
                                          I love that picture.  Turbo Teg   Mar-05-08 07:01 PM   #247 
                                          Quick question: How much does S&W make from the NRA, and from sales? -nt  sergeiAK   Mar-05-08 08:07 PM   #249 
                                          You said "we try to enforce these laws, the NRA screams 2nd Amendment" Prove it. n/t  jody   Feb-28-08 10:20 PM   #110 
                                             Here  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 10:59 PM   #121 
                                             Sorry, your cite is about a bill not passed. You said "we try to enforce these laws". Try again? n/  jody   Feb-29-08 07:22 AM   #140 
                                       Um, for dishonorably discharged, last gunshow I was at  sergeiAK   Feb-28-08 10:00 PM   #104 
                                       There you go, the laws aren't enforced  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 10:06 PM   #106 
                                          Show an example where  sergeiAK   Feb-28-08 10:17 PM   #108 
                                       Supporters of the NICS background check system...  krispos42DU Moderator   Feb-29-08 05:45 AM   #139 
                                    Actually  Turbo Teg   Mar-03-08 10:21 AM   #203 
                     I don't think 90% ever supported the Brady Bill. Prove it.  Hangingon   Feb-28-08 06:52 PM   #74 
                        Yes, it's true  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 09:53 PM   #100 
                           Those are 10 years or older  ac2007   Feb-28-08 10:21 PM   #111 
                              *sigh* "ever supported"  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 10:46 PM   #116 
                                 Thanks for citing a poll that contradicts you  ac2007   Feb-28-08 11:01 PM   #122 
                                    That's why I posted the whole thing  sandnsea   Feb-28-08 11:24 PM   #125 
                                       the bias  sepulveda   Feb-29-08 12:50 AM   #134 
                                       I call BULLSHIT on this one.  Hangingon   Feb-29-08 11:49 AM   #146 
   Well, there goes the Presidency.  johnbraun   Feb-28-08 03:20 PM   #10 
   I wonder how many of the gun grabbers*  Malidictus Maximus   Feb-29-08 12:48 AM   #133 
   The GOP will try to use the "gun issue," but Obama is smart...  SteveM   Feb-29-08 11:05 AM   #145 
      I just left a google search of Obama and the second amendment.  Hangingon   Feb-29-08 12:01 PM   #147 
         I've read his background on guns. We have a bad choice...  SteveM   Feb-29-08 06:19 PM   #153 
            I hope you are right but Ted Kennedy's endorsement with Teddy's gun-grabber image bothers me. n/t  jody   Feb-29-08 07:14 PM   #154 
   It's certainly has the potential to cost him some votes  slackmaster   Feb-29-08 01:53 PM   #149 
      Indeed. Gun control is not a "voting issue" for most voters.  johnbraun   Feb-29-08 02:21 PM   #150 
      Most of the pro-gun people are Republicans, anyway. nt  zanne   Mar-03-08 10:31 AM   #204 
         Again  Turbo Teg   Mar-03-08 10:40 AM   #205 
         ***RIGHT HERE. THIS IS WHAT'S COSTING US ELECTIONS!  johnbraun   Mar-03-08 10:47 AM   #206 
         Your statistics are not factual.  zanne   Mar-03-08 10:55 AM   #207 
         You don't have to  Turbo Teg   Mar-03-08 11:01 AM   #209 
         Updated. 39% of gun owners are Dem.  johnbraun   Mar-03-08 11:40 AM   #212 
         well said john.  Turbo Teg   Mar-03-08 10:57 AM   #208 
         Most pro-gun people are Democrats and independents  krispos42DU Moderator   Mar-05-08 11:21 AM   #234 
      I like the pledge idea for BO and Hillary. No attempt to explain (BS) their past, just say I pledge.  jody   Feb-29-08 02:23 PM   #151 
         I agree. And now is the time to do it. (nt)  SteveM   Mar-06-08 09:22 PM   #251 
         this is the cancer that is killing our party  facepalm   Apr-22-08 06:22 PM   #252 
            just visiting the cemetery?  iverglas   Apr-22-08 07:38 PM   #254 
   OBAMA ........................... ROCKS !!!  fightthegoodfightnow   Feb-29-08 09:45 PM   #155 
   really, jody?  iverglas   Apr-22-08 07:31 PM   #253 
   Guns kill Democrats (figuratively speaking)  Carl in Chicago   Apr-23-08 09:39 AM   #255 
   Every day, gun owners in America have the insatiable urge to ...  radioburning   Apr-24-08 03:50 PM   #256 
   What is the purpose of your post? n/t  jody   Apr-24-08 10:39 PM   #260 
      To point out irrationalities, fear mongering tactics, and ignorance.  radioburning   Apr-27-08 11:13 PM   #261 
         And done extremely well (applauding!) n/t  Tejas   Apr-28-08 01:07 AM   #265 
            Hey! You're a gun owner! Stop being rational and friendly! ; ) n/t  radioburning   May-03-08 01:53 PM   #270 
   I really wanted to be an Obama supporter.  radioburning   Apr-27-08 11:17 PM   #262 
      I may already have asked this ...  iverglas   Apr-27-08 11:24 PM   #263 
         If he's for banning guns that I own, how is that misleading?  radioburning   May-03-08 01:48 PM   #269 
         well since Richardson didn't make the cut, what else are our choices?  facepalm   May-03-08 02:50 PM   #271 
 

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