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Sun Feb-17-08 02:36 PM
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| 65. I believe that you have set up a "straw man". |
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No one has advocated allowing "everyone" to carry in public. All that is being proposed is allowing those who are currently legally allowed to carry concealed deadly weapons when in public to continue to be allowed to do so when on a college campus. Given that individuals legally allowed to carry concealed deadly weapons in states that grant such permits to citizens on a "shall-issue" basis have, statistically, been less prone to committing violent crime than the general population and given that there do exist college campuses where such citizens are currently allowed to carry concealed deadly weapons wherein such individuals have not committed violent crimes while on campuses, I do not understand the opposition to such a proposal. Many opponents suggest that hypothetical negative consequences will be commonplace even though in areas where campus carry is allowed, such consequences have not manifested in reality.
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| -Will concealed-carry in public places become a cause on campus? |
SteveM |
Feb-17-08 12:58 PM |
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Because we have so much to "show" for the proliferation of guns... |
villager |
Feb-17-08 01:00 PM |
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yeah let a bunch of drunk, partying undergraduates |
DBoon |
Feb-17-08 01:16 PM |
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Right! |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 01:20 PM |
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No let |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 02:55 PM |
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Feb-17-08 09:08 PM |
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Once again... |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 01:50 PM |
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Did you point to the stands before you hit that one out? Thanks. |
SteveM |
Feb-17-08 01:59 PM |
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LOL! |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 02:07 PM |
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Two things: |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 02:14 PM |
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"why" is not relevent |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 02:36 PM |
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Of course "why" is relevant. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 02:55 PM |
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The kind |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:00 PM |
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Okay, so you're saying I should carry a gun to class |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 03:06 PM |
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I can think of the most commonly provided reason... |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 03:16 PM |
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You should have the right to. |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 03:19 PM |
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I'm saying that you have that possibility now |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 04:45 PM |
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Okay, I'll add some fantasy to get you to answer the question |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 03:02 PM |
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This is getting goofier by the minute. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 03:05 PM |
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Your refusal to answer the question is making my point very well |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 03:15 PM |
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Feb-17-08 03:19 PM |
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Then don't seek out discussion if you don't want your views challenged. |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 03:24 PM |
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Ha ha ha ha |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 04:50 PM |
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Oh what a rapier like response to a debate |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 04:48 PM |
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I agree with krispos, answer the question. |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 05:06 PM |
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Why don't |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 02:58 PM |
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Oops |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 02:56 PM |
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I tried hard to get him to answer |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 03:28 PM |
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Krispos... |
beevul |
Feb-17-08 04:51 PM |
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Feb-17-08 04:54 PM |
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Awww.... |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 06:44 PM |
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Bummer |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-18-08 01:55 AM |
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Gun free |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 02:53 PM |
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No wait ! Lets have everybody carry in public. |
WHEN CRABS ROAR |
Feb-17-08 01:05 PM |
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Utah and Colorado haven't had any problems with student CCW. |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 01:24 PM |
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I believe that you have set up a "straw man". |
Dimensio0 |
Feb-17-08 02:36 PM |
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I hope so. |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 01:08 PM |
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Why do these idiots want more school shootings? |
greenvpi |
Feb-17-08 01:09 PM |
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So what is your solution? |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 01:58 PM |
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"Alabama senator seeks to arm some college students, professors" (2/15/2008) |
jody |
Feb-17-08 01:14 PM |
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Another wingnut idiot heard from. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 01:26 PM |
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Obvious unarmed professors have not worked so why not authorize those who are qualified RKBA? nt |
jody |
Feb-17-08 01:41 PM |
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That is such a stupid question I hardly know how to address it. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 01:49 PM |
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No, they're not |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 01:53 PM |
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How about we prevent these incidents |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 01:55 PM |
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We do and we are |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 02:02 PM |
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What are your proposals, keeping in mind due process? |
SteveM |
Feb-17-08 02:03 PM |
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We already |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:06 PM |
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Of course professors shouldn't be security guards. |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 01:54 PM |
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Perhaps the question is not stupid but stupid people may try to answer it. Who said anything about |
jody |
Feb-17-08 01:57 PM |
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The issue is maintaining a civil society |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 02:03 PM |
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Regardless of your opinion, self-defense is a personal responsibility in a society with some people |
jody |
Feb-17-08 02:12 PM |
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Hmm. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 02:22 PM |
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From what I have read... |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 02:51 PM |
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Sorry |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:11 PM |
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Please provide a credible source for your assertion LEOs oppose CCW. Perhaps the best way to have a |
jody |
Feb-17-08 04:36 PM |
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He's going to go find a police chief's statement, not one given by a rank and file. |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 05:00 PM |
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But we are civil! |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 02:16 PM |
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Actually I was just reading that we don't know that. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 02:29 PM |
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Untrue. |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 02:35 PM |
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Could you post the actual data and not a link to a thread? |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 02:54 PM |
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Sure! |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 03:05 PM |
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Thanks. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 03:17 PM |
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Most of the requirements are for buying guns in general |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 03:45 PM |
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Slight Correction |
ac2007 |
Feb-18-08 01:35 PM |
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Okay, thanks |
krispos42 |
Feb-18-08 02:31 PM |
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Both terms are accurate |
ac2007 |
Feb-18-08 03:11 PM |
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Here are some reasons why... |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 03:47 PM |
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From your article... |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 02:47 PM |
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I believe |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:13 PM |
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I agree with you |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 02:30 PM |
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Wow |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:16 PM |
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Because in the most problematic states, it's still restrictive |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 07:09 PM |
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Cool |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-18-08 01:59 AM |
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Part of a civil society is survival... |
SteveM |
Feb-17-08 02:33 PM |
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No one has proposed requiring individuals to arm themselves. |
Dimensio0 |
Feb-17-08 02:39 PM |
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What makes |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:09 PM |
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So don't be! |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 02:12 PM |
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Sure they are. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 02:41 PM |
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You seem |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:19 PM |
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What purpose do they serve? |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 03:57 PM |
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But why |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:05 PM |
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Allowing |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:04 PM |
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oh yeah? |
DBoon |
Feb-17-08 01:14 PM |
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But they are completely ineffective! |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 01:25 PM |
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gun prohibitionists |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:29 PM |
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Yeah. I don't hold gun control laws to 100% effectiveness. Not the point... |
SteveM |
Feb-17-08 02:26 PM |
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Heh, |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 02:33 PM |
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Tony Curtis in OPERATION PETTICOAT: In confusion there is profit! |
SteveM |
Feb-17-08 07:11 PM |
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Oh really? |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:22 PM |
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The "gun free zone" is to stop violence. |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 10:09 PM |
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I agree 100% |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 01:17 PM |
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Reason 4,857,532: because I don't want the student sitting in my office |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 01:20 PM |
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I wouldn't worry about it. |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 01:26 PM |
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Sure, why not? |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 01:28 PM |
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Sorry, I still find the prospect profoundly creepy. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 01:37 PM |
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"Creepy" just means that you personally don't like it. |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 01:46 PM |
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"We liberals?" |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 01:51 PM |
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"We liberals" indeed. |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 01:55 PM |
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This is what is called... |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 02:06 PM |
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I agree 100% |
sabre73 |
Feb-18-08 03:31 AM |
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The current proposal relates to individuals who are allowed to carry firearms... |
Dimensio0 |
Feb-17-08 02:42 PM |
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Why do you assume |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:39 PM |
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I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 01:50 PM |
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Oy. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 01:53 PM |
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That seems unreasonable. |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 01:57 PM |
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Now you're catching on. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 02:06 PM |
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You already pass them in the street and grocery store. |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 02:17 PM |
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Stop it. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 02:27 PM |
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I'm simply saying we should embrace tolerance.... |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 02:32 PM |
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I believe |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:48 PM |
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Yes. |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 02:22 PM |
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We'd have a serious problem, then. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 02:31 PM |
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Why do you have a serious problem obaying the law? |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:50 PM |
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You'd have to base your dealings with them on what they say or do |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 03:09 PM |
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Yes you are |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:43 PM |
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Sorry |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:37 PM |
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I have been in that office -- I wouldn't KNOW if he/she was armed! |
SteveM |
Feb-17-08 02:40 PM |
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LOL |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:51 PM |
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Are you saying |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:35 PM |
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I'm curious about your thinking |
Indy Lurker |
Feb-17-08 05:08 PM |
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If that student means you harm do you really think school policy or a sign on the door is going |
pipoman |
Feb-17-08 10:47 PM |
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I've looked at the Wikipedia list of college shootings a couple of nights ago |
krispos42 |
Feb-18-08 10:11 AM |
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I teach at a state U about five hours from Dekalb. |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 01:17 PM |
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The CDC studied all methods of gun control you cite. |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 01:29 PM |
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I agree re "screen all gun-buyers for evidence of mental illness" and offenders should not be |
jody |
Feb-17-08 01:38 PM |
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Two things: |
smoogatz |
Feb-17-08 01:48 PM |
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No, I'm not paranoid, are you? Current law requires a judge. Have you ever read federal law re |
jody |
Feb-17-08 01:54 PM |
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NICS already does this. |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 01:57 PM |
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You seem |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:57 PM |
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Points... |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 01:47 PM |
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I do not believe that your concerns are justified. |
Dimensio0 |
Feb-17-08 02:46 PM |
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I think you have it turned backwards... |
SteveM |
Feb-17-08 02:59 PM |
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most of these guys dont kill on a whim |
bossy22 |
Feb-17-08 03:51 PM |
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How would you feel |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 03:55 PM |
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I hope they do. |
chunkstyle5 |
Feb-17-08 01:26 PM |
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Exactly! |
johnbraun |
Feb-17-08 01:30 PM |
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Indeed! |
east texas lib |
Feb-17-08 03:26 PM |
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You know |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 04:04 PM |
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The allure of gun bans is like a siren's song to progressives... |
SteveM |
Feb-17-08 07:35 PM |
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I was not awar of |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-18-08 02:04 AM |
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Either we force all cases of mental trouble to be included in a list of who's not eligible to buy |
heidler1 |
Feb-17-08 01:34 PM |
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Excellent summary! |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 02:28 PM |
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Could you |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-17-08 04:06 PM |
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It would never sell to suggest we eliminate those with bad judgment from voting, because |
heidler1 |
Feb-18-08 01:27 AM |
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Cannot denie |
L1A1Rocker |
Feb-18-08 02:07 AM |
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Evidently the present status quo is unsatisfactory... |
east texas lib |
Feb-17-08 03:13 PM |
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a middle ground |
bossy22 |
Feb-17-08 03:40 PM |
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Agreed. |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 04:06 PM |
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the law of unintended consequences |
bossy22 |
Feb-17-08 04:17 PM |
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driver's license |
bossy22 |
Feb-17-08 03:48 PM |
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