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Fri Feb-15-08 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #18 |
| 21. Even if your assertion were correct... |
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Edited on Fri Feb-15-08 06:58 PM by EricTeri
...and it isn't, so what?
Guns have far more than one purpose, and it ultimately comes down to how the person using it chooses to use it.
Gun control laws do not make guns magically go away. That genie cannot be put back in the bottle. So, rather than explore some Utopian fantasy where guns don't exist, how about you deal with the real world?
By the way - university students are hardly children. Your hyperbolic statements only make you that much easier to discredit.
So, other than simply spewing ignorance, do you have any suggestions as to what could be done?
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| -Shooter used legitimately purchased guns to kill students |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-15-08 04:34 PM |
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Gee; no replies. Quelle surprise. nt |
zanne |
Feb-15-08 04:36 PM |
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There's not much to say. |
gorfle |
Feb-15-08 10:20 PM |
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Third option and the only one that will make a difference...... |
Boomer 50 |
Feb-15-08 10:40 PM |
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In other words, to hell with the rest of us, huh? |
zanne |
Feb-16-08 07:42 AM |
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I did not say that. |
gorfle |
Feb-16-08 08:36 PM |
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I support everybodys wish |
Retired AF Dem |
Feb-18-08 02:37 PM |
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Not at all. |
NewMoonTherian |
Mar-02-08 02:13 PM |
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Thank you for allowing a full two minutes for a coherent, detailed response, |
krispos42 |
Feb-16-08 02:27 AM |
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LOL, an ANTI |
Tejas |
Feb-16-08 06:37 AM |
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What is the problem then? |
ac2007 |
Feb-15-08 04:45 PM |
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The shooter was also taking psych meds.... |
ingac70 |
Feb-15-08 04:57 PM |
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Why not? |
EricTeri |
Feb-15-08 06:06 PM |
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That particular "form" of medication... |
ingac70 |
Feb-15-08 06:10 PM |
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Ignorance is not a good position from which to argue |
EricTeri |
Feb-15-08 06:17 PM |
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The shooter was irresponsible... |
ingac70 |
Feb-15-08 06:24 PM |
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Yes, this is true |
EricTeri |
Feb-15-08 06:30 PM |
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Feb-16-08 07:48 AM |
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Gun owners believe guns should always be the exception. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 10:33 AM |
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"Bazillions?" |
Nabeshin |
Feb-16-08 06:49 PM |
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Oh. So the gun industry is in it to do a public service. So tender aren't they? |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-17-08 10:27 AM |
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As was said... |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 04:19 PM |
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Gun manufacturers are the reason the gun lobby is powerful. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-18-08 11:12 AM |
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If you really wish to educate yourself... |
EricTeri |
Feb-18-08 11:18 AM |
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Well then allow anyone to buy uranium. Why not? Don't remove our rights, eh? nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-15-08 06:42 PM |
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Not even remotely the same thing |
EricTeri |
Feb-15-08 06:55 PM |
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You already can. |
ac2007 |
Feb-15-08 06:56 PM |
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Cool! |
EricTeri |
Feb-15-08 06:59 PM |
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Wow. I had no idea! Our country really is fucked up by people wanting to sell killing methods nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-15-08 07:30 PM |
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Killing methods? |
EricTeri |
Feb-15-08 07:35 PM |
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It saddens me that you beat me to this (n/t) |
Plague |
Feb-15-08 09:43 PM |
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Yes, this monster obtained weapons for murder, all perfectly legal nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-15-08 06:41 PM |
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Yep - he sure did. |
EricTeri |
Feb-15-08 07:00 PM |
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Are you angry that he didn't buy them from a gun show? |
krispos42 |
Feb-16-08 02:35 AM |
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You don't fail to see the point. |
zanne |
Feb-16-08 07:45 AM |
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Gun conrol laws do work |
krispos42 |
Feb-16-08 12:04 PM |
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I know I fail to see the point. |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 04:24 PM |
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So basically it's the fault of all those victims that they were remiss in not arming themselves? |
CTyankee |
Mar-01-08 12:23 PM |
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Illinois also has waiting periods on purchasing firearms... |
Lex1775 |
Feb-15-08 05:08 PM |
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Did you have a point with this thread? |
EricTeri |
Feb-15-08 05:39 PM |
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Excellent point n/t |
Tejas |
Feb-16-08 06:40 AM |
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How about forcing doctors to turn them in? |
DonP |
Feb-15-08 06:09 PM |
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How about this... |
EricTeri |
Feb-15-08 06:20 PM |
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Penalties don't matter to the mentally ill. n/t. |
ingac70 |
Feb-15-08 06:25 PM |
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No they dont |
EricTeri |
Feb-15-08 06:33 PM |
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I disagree... |
gorfle |
Feb-15-08 10:24 PM |
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In this instance... |
ingac70 |
Feb-15-08 11:04 PM |
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How many veterans would fall into this catagory? n/t |
krispos42 |
Feb-16-08 02:20 AM |
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You mean veterans like this?. |
ingac70 |
Feb-16-08 08:28 PM |
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Those. |
krispos42 |
Feb-16-08 11:52 PM |
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I have a problem with people calling the mentally ill or anyone |
SCRUBDASHRUB |
Feb-16-08 07:25 PM |
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OK.. |
gorfle |
Feb-16-08 08:41 PM |
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And here is the proof... |
gorfle |
Feb-16-08 09:03 PM |
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What kind of due process would you propose for "crazy people?" Any? |
SteveM |
Feb-17-08 12:05 PM |
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Are you saying... |
beevul |
Feb-15-08 06:32 PM |
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Guns have only one purpose. This man bought a gun (for that purpose), and children are now dead nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-15-08 06:47 PM |
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Even if your assertion were correct... |
EricTeri |
Feb-15-08 06:57 PM |
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No, not "even if." My assertion *IS* correct. Guns have only one purpose, to murder |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-15-08 07:27 PM |
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and if frogs had wings... |
EricTeri |
Feb-15-08 07:34 PM |
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no cops, don't carry guns so they can commit murder |
provis99 |
Feb-15-08 07:47 PM |
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You're right. It's a matter of semantics. Under the law, cops are allowed to kill using guns |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-15-08 07:52 PM |
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Citizens are allowed to kill using guns, too. |
krispos42 |
Feb-16-08 02:23 AM |
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Wow! That's simply amazing given that gun murders are higher today than in the 70s |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 10:24 AM |
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Gun murders are not higher today than in the 70's. |
krispos42 |
Feb-16-08 10:41 AM |
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Do you mind if I research that myself rather than take your word for it? nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 10:51 AM |
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Not at all.. |
krispos42 |
Feb-16-08 11:03 AM |
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I think I'm going to research that and much more. I'll get back with you. nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 11:12 AM |
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Police never try to KILL with a gun |
Indy Lurker |
Feb-16-08 07:09 AM |
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I agree with my cop friends. Only cops should have guns. Guns are a danger that gets in the way of |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 10:27 AM |
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Yes, guns do get in the way of Cops raiding the wrong |
Retired AF Dem |
Feb-16-08 10:45 AM |
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Oh a cop hater? As for handling a murder implement, I didn't say you weren't capable of handling |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 10:53 AM |
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Wasn't that a cop in Wisconsin last year that killed |
Retired AF Dem |
Feb-16-08 11:07 AM |
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Feb-16-08 11:14 AM |
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check this out |
bossy22 |
Feb-16-08 12:45 PM |
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I don't know how many "cops" you count as friends, |
HiDemGunOwner |
Feb-19-08 05:04 PM |
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That's true... |
HiDemGunOwner |
Feb-19-08 04:59 PM |
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Bombs? |
Plague |
Feb-15-08 09:51 PM |
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He could've! However a bomb is not as easy..... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 10:29 AM |
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Are you going to go door to door and pick them up? |
pipoman |
Feb-16-08 11:23 AM |
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Feb-17-08 10:30 AM |
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I disagree on your assessment of difficulty. |
Plague |
Feb-16-08 03:51 PM |
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I've been misusing my firearms then. |
gorfle |
Feb-15-08 10:22 PM |
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Well, think of it this way, if someone is a collector of nuclear bombs...... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 10:34 AM |
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Oh yes, the nuclear bomb argument. |
gorfle |
Feb-17-08 12:22 PM |
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Feb-18-08 01:15 PM |
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Well, you can live in fear... |
east texas lib |
Feb-16-08 01:35 AM |
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And home invasions would go up. |
krispos42 |
Feb-16-08 02:26 AM |
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Where do you gun lovers get the concept that if guns are banned, illegal guns will remain undetected |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 10:47 AM |
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We can't stop billions of dollars of drugs flowing into this country! |
krispos42 |
Feb-16-08 11:32 AM |
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Sure we could. We don't. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-17-08 10:37 AM |
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So then we need a police state? |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 01:29 PM |
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Why do you believe I'd resort to searches? |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-17-08 08:26 PM |
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Fair enough. |
krispos42 |
Feb-17-08 10:50 PM |
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Anyone who doesn't want to end up in prison? nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-18-08 10:30 AM |
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And who fears going to prison? |
krispos42 |
Feb-18-08 11:17 AM |
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Anyone in their right mind should fear going to prison. Look, I'm not trying to be unreasonable.... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-18-08 12:22 PM |
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And since criminals don't fear prison (are not in their right mind)... |
krispos42 |
Feb-18-08 01:56 PM |
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A gun criminal is a gun owner who committed a crime, or, |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-18-08 06:22 PM |
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But not less and less crime |
krispos42 |
Feb-19-08 02:10 AM |
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i dont see how we are |
bossy22 |
Feb-18-08 02:19 PM |
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We are not a safe country. In my little block alone there have been thefts, shootings and there are |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-18-08 06:27 PM |
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wow |
bossy22 |
Feb-18-08 08:43 PM |
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Oh? I lived in Spain and Israel for years. Israel is always in a state of war, so I did |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-18-08 09:48 PM |
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god i dont know what neighborhood you live in |
bossy22 |
Feb-18-08 10:12 PM |
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Some questions for you... |
gorfle |
Feb-19-08 07:36 AM |
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They would be smuggled in disguised as routine cocaine shipments. (n/t) |
benEzra |
Feb-16-08 01:00 PM |
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You owe me a new keyboard! |
ManiacJoe |
Feb-17-08 12:05 AM |
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Because of people like you that are obsessed with the idea of being able to kill easy and fast? nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-17-08 10:36 AM |
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That misperception is the root of a lot of the disconnect in this thread, methinks. |
benEzra |
Feb-17-08 09:04 PM |
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You're mistaken. I don't have this "cartoon" in my head "of some bloodthirsty Rambo" |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-18-08 07:33 PM |
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most legal gun owners do not commit gun crimes |
bossy22 |
Feb-18-08 08:46 PM |
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You're trying to separate the gun owners from the criminals. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-18-08 10:03 PM |
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Feb-18-08 10:13 PM |
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truthfully |
bossy22 |
Feb-18-08 10:26 PM |
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im reposting this |
bossy22 |
Feb-19-08 03:53 PM |
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Simple answer? |
EricTeri |
Feb-19-08 04:31 PM |
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Sarah. Marijuana. |
SteveM |
Feb-17-08 12:21 PM |
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Sarah...don't get out much much, |
Tejas |
Feb-18-08 05:55 AM |
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And, "IF" there were an armed citizen, s/he could have kept the |
HiDemGunOwner |
Feb-19-08 04:52 PM |
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To their parents and families, 19 and 20 year olds are children. |
mycritters2 |
Feb-15-08 08:33 PM |
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60 million people own 200 million firearms in the U.S, |
spin |
Feb-16-08 01:17 AM |
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Oh, it's more than that. |
krispos42 |
Feb-16-08 02:30 AM |
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Bunny rabbits and guns |
spin |
Feb-16-08 11:45 AM |
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BEER has only one purpose |
Tejas |
Feb-16-08 06:42 AM |
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The same day as the U of I shooting, 273 people were killed by alcohol... |
benEzra |
Feb-16-08 09:57 AM |
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Feb-16-08 10:51 AM |
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Thank you for |
Tejas |
Feb-18-08 05:48 AM |
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That .729 caliber rapid fire pump-action shotgun... |
benEzra |
Feb-16-08 09:51 AM |
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You really need to speak the truth, Sarah... |
SteveM |
Feb-17-08 12:13 PM |
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Driver used legitimately purchased vehicle to kill |
Retired AF Dem |
Feb-16-08 08:41 AM |
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If we'd only outlaw alloy wheels, rear spoilers, and clearcoat paint... |
benEzra |
Feb-16-08 10:04 AM |
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Cars aren't used expressly to murder. Guns are, however. Your assertion is pointless. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 10:48 AM |
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Do you regard killing in self-defense as murder? |
slackmaster |
Feb-16-08 11:07 AM |
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I regard the entire gun industry and gun-love as creating a nation of murders from which |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 11:10 AM |
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Yet your very safety is protected by |
slackmaster |
Feb-16-08 11:13 AM |
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Feb-16-08 11:15 AM |
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Good luck with that, same thing that someone else |
Tejas |
Feb-18-08 06:00 AM |
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That was sarcasm... |
benEzra |
Feb-16-08 12:57 PM |
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The only place a gun will drive you is to the morgue. |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 10:40 AM |
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The only place a gun will transport you is to the morgue |
Retired AF Dem |
Feb-16-08 10:58 AM |
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Another argument meant to protect your killing implements..... |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Feb-16-08 11:19 AM |
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You know what truly scares me? |
Retired AF Dem |
Feb-16-08 11:40 AM |
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I wouldn't mind people talking on cell phones while driving if they'd keep their hands on the wheel |
slackmaster |
Feb-16-08 11:43 AM |
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Feb-17-08 10:22 AM |
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Feb-17-08 04:12 PM |
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Uh-oh, looks like those guns might not have been purchased legally after all |
slackmaster |
Feb-16-08 11:51 AM |
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if thats true |
bossy22 |
Feb-16-08 01:09 PM |
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They were SOLD legally, just not PURCHASED legally. |
MercutioATC |
Feb-18-08 02:00 PM |
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VERY GOOD POINT!!!! n/t |
Spoonman |
Feb-19-08 03:05 PM |
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It's illegal for those who've received inpatient psych care |
mycritters2 |
Feb-16-08 04:53 PM |
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Somebody screwed up his records, apparently... |
benEzra |
Feb-16-08 08:53 PM |
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Recieving inpatient psych car does not remove a persons rights to own firearms. |
lepus |
Feb-17-08 05:14 AM |
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You're wrong. In Illinois, those receiving inpatient care for psych disorders |
mycritters2 |
Feb-17-08 04:50 PM |
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That's interesting. I wasn't aware of that. |
benEzra |
Feb-17-08 09:08 PM |
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What??? |
MAS 49_56 |
Feb-18-08 01:17 PM |
#130 |
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