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Mon Apr-16-07 02:19 PM
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| 7. I can only imagine how 2000 armed college students would react. |
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(1) Shooter starts shooting
(2) Everyone draws and starts shooting at whoever has a drawn gun
(3) Complete anarchy ensues.
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| -This is why we all need carry permits |
cgrindley |
Apr-16-07 02:17 PM |
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Wrong. Try again. n/m |
AndyA |
Apr-16-07 02:17 PM |
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Care to back that up? |
Nabeshin |
Apr-16-07 02:19 PM |
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Apr-16-07 02:18 PM |
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So disagreement = idiot? |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 02:24 PM |
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people are crazy -- i do not want to live around people with guns. |
xchrom |
Apr-16-07 02:19 PM |
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You probably already do. |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 02:25 PM |
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where i live -- in my small conduminium -- we're all anti-gun. |
xchrom |
Apr-16-07 05:00 PM |
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Why don't you put a sign on the front lawn that says so... |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 05:07 PM |
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bwahahaha -- nutty people have the cutest opinions. |
xchrom |
Apr-16-07 05:27 PM |
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What's nutty about that? |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 05:43 PM |
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-- what a vivid imagination you have!!! |
xchrom |
Apr-16-07 05:59 PM |
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Nothing imaginary about the fact... |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 06:07 PM |
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those are opinions not facts. |
xchrom |
Apr-16-07 06:19 PM |
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What's silly about it? |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 06:23 PM |
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Surely you are being sarcastic |
frazzled |
Apr-16-07 02:19 PM |
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So the answer to gun violence is more guns? |
BattyDem |
Apr-16-07 02:19 PM |
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Strange as it may seem, |
HALO141 |
Apr-16-07 03:43 PM |
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It certainly isn't taking them all away.... |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 04:04 PM |
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I know that, but ... |
BattyDem |
Apr-16-07 04:13 PM |
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What would you have happen then? |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 04:17 PM |
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But not everyone is a rational, responsible person |
BattyDem |
Apr-16-07 04:38 PM |
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That's what background checks are for. |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 04:52 PM |
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Let's just agree to disagree on this one. |
BattyDem |
Apr-16-07 04:59 PM |
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Well... |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 05:05 PM |
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"The problem folks in your spot have is where you draw the line." |
BattyDem |
Apr-16-07 05:40 PM |
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You know who DEFINITELY shouldn't carry? |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 05:45 PM |
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I agree with you. |
BattyDem |
Apr-16-07 05:58 PM |
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trained, competent, law abiding citizen like me shouldn't get to carry |
TX-RAT |
Apr-17-07 10:27 AM |
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Not exactly |
jgraz |
Apr-17-07 01:29 AM |
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CCW permit holders are to cops what EMTs and Paramedics are to the emergency room. |
TX-RAT |
Apr-17-07 09:55 AM |
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Wow. Talk about wrong.... |
bowens43 |
Apr-16-07 02:19 PM |
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He could have killed just as many, maybe more |
murloc |
Apr-17-07 08:12 PM |
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I can only imagine how 2000 armed college students would react. |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-16-07 02:19 PM |
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Apr-16-07 02:29 PM |
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Whereas... |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 04:18 PM |
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Have any examples of this? |
Nabeshin |
Apr-16-07 02:34 PM |
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Just following the OP's suggestion. Lets try a social experiement. |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-16-07 02:39 PM |
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Why always the presumption... |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 04:19 PM |
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Did you have a problem reading the OP? |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-16-07 04:41 PM |
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hmph |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 05:06 PM |
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Trouble is |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-16-07 05:12 PM |
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Trouble is... |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 05:16 PM |
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Every tragedy like today is an opportunity to sell more guns, right? |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-16-07 05:30 PM |
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Sigh... |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 05:51 PM |
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I viewed your argument: just more culture war. I'm curious though... |
SteveM |
Apr-16-07 09:10 PM |
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Honestly? I have no idea. |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-17-07 01:15 AM |
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Exactly... |
TnDem |
Apr-16-07 09:20 PM |
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Well, the OP's proposition is an extreme strawman. |
Nabeshin |
Apr-16-07 05:12 PM |
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It's been done, and continuing still |
jgraz |
Apr-17-07 01:35 AM |
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Here's the alternative |
DonP |
Apr-16-07 06:27 PM |
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Yeah that sounds wonderful |
MessiahRp |
Apr-16-07 02:20 PM |
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When the U.S. is the world leader in the export of violence |
Tempest |
Apr-16-07 02:21 PM |
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Exactly! Thank you. |
RufusTFirefly |
Apr-16-07 02:25 PM |
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Imagine a bunch of armed students all firing at the shooter. I think more people would be killed by |
Sapere aude |
Apr-16-07 02:21 PM |
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Very quickly, the shooter becomes anyone doing the shooting. |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-16-07 02:30 PM |
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The cops are lousy shots and they're highly trained |
Tempest |
Apr-16-07 02:55 PM |
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For the most part, |
HALO141 |
Apr-16-07 03:47 PM |
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Cops generally are NOT |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 04:05 PM |
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Law enforcement personnel have to qualify every 3 months |
Tempest |
Apr-16-07 04:18 PM |
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If it's so easy... |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 04:21 PM |
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You should get NO CARRY PERMIT if you FAIL to MEET QUALIFICATIONS. |
Selatius |
Apr-16-07 02:21 PM |
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That's how it is in Ohio. |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 02:30 PM |
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Bullshit. |
Hobarticus |
Apr-16-07 02:22 PM |
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See above... |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 04:06 PM |
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How do I know that YOU"RE well-trained? |
Hobarticus |
Apr-17-07 08:39 AM |
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Excellent response. |
TX-RAT |
Apr-17-07 10:03 AM |
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Some things you don't get to know. |
HALO141 |
Apr-17-07 11:51 AM |
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Yippee!!!! |
Midlodemocrat |
Apr-16-07 02:22 PM |
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No thank you! I prefer to risk one nutcase at a time. |
damntexdem |
Apr-16-07 02:23 PM |
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The student body are nutcases? |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 02:31 PM |
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More than just a few of them |
Tempest |
Apr-16-07 02:58 PM |
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That's quite a claim. |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 03:08 PM |
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The evidence is overwhelming |
Tempest |
Apr-16-07 04:21 PM |
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Think we should ban 'em? (nt) |
SteveM |
Apr-16-07 09:19 PM |
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Why wouldn't it mean... |
dchill |
Apr-16-07 02:23 PM |
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Doubtful. |
Taverner |
Apr-16-07 02:23 PM |
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Sorry, in the Texas universities, |
Hangingon |
Apr-16-07 02:23 PM |
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I think you need to re-read |
HALO141 |
Apr-17-07 11:53 AM |
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I worked at UT. No weapons on campus. |
Hangingon |
Apr-17-07 07:11 PM |
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Wow. Can I have some of whatever you're drinking? |
ThomCat |
Apr-16-07 02:23 PM |
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The Archie Bunker solution |
RufusTFirefly |
Apr-16-07 02:27 PM |
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I can see |
Alcibiades |
Apr-16-07 02:27 PM |
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really? |
mzteris |
Apr-16-07 02:27 PM |
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Of course. That was James Madison's intent.. |
BOSSHOG |
Apr-16-07 02:28 PM |
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"If they didn't like a grade just kill the motherfucking teacher." |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 02:34 PM |
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The suggestion is |
BOSSHOG |
Apr-16-07 02:40 PM |
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"Was that the founding fathers intent?" |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 02:47 PM |
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I don't find it ambiguous |
BOSSHOG |
Apr-16-07 02:53 PM |
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Most opinionated individuals don't. |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 03:06 PM |
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To clarify |
BOSSHOG |
Apr-16-07 03:11 PM |
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IIRC, Bosshog...those militia's also had stockades were they |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-16-07 02:50 PM |
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When the Constitution was written... |
Nabeshin |
Apr-16-07 05:39 PM |
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Well, all of you that think the poster is WRONG... |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-16-07 02:30 PM |
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Let's wait until all the facts come in V.M.... |
Virginia Dare |
Apr-16-07 02:33 PM |
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Not that I have much faith in the media, but.. |
HALO141 |
Apr-17-07 12:00 PM |
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Any law is effective only when enforced... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-16-07 02:36 PM |
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"Other nations have some of the most effective gun control laws ..." |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 02:41 PM |
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Sorry, but that makes no sense. |
Hobarticus |
Apr-16-07 02:51 PM |
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Correlation is not cause and effect. |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 03:04 PM |
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Yes, it is cause and effect. |
Hobarticus |
Apr-16-07 03:14 PM |
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define 'worked' please |
northzax |
Apr-16-07 02:40 PM |
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I do not know what the solution is |
BOSSHOG |
Apr-16-07 02:46 PM |
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WTF??? nt |
NRaleighLiberal |
Apr-16-07 02:30 PM |
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Hello? |
Hepburn |
Apr-16-07 02:33 PM |
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I think the point is that the assailant would be dead and, therefore, ... |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 02:37 PM |
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Just pulling a trigger doesn't mean you'll hit your target... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-16-07 02:43 PM |
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"...how many rounds are fired by trained policemen or military personnel..." |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 02:55 PM |
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But that's my point... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-16-07 03:02 PM |
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Two points. |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 03:17 PM |
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Again, that doesn't reflect real-world situations... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-16-07 03:36 PM |
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I agree. |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 04:05 PM |
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Pretty likely |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 09:14 PM |
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So, if cops can't shoot, and that's what they do for a living... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-17-07 08:42 AM |
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Hundreds of thousands of Americans have used their CCWs to defend themselves lawfully. |
TX-RAT |
Apr-17-07 10:12 AM |
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If you had a gun at VT, would you have used it on the killer? (nt) |
SteveM |
Apr-16-07 09:25 PM |
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No, because I wouldn't carry a gun on a college campus, at all. |
Hobarticus |
Apr-17-07 08:50 AM |
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why do people feel the need to have a gun on their person at all times? |
TX-RAT |
Apr-17-07 10:14 AM |
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That's an assumption with no basis in reality. |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-16-07 02:43 PM |
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I said I didn't know the specific facts. nt |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 02:48 PM |
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Zactly. You've got an instant free-fire zone... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-16-07 02:53 PM |
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Your example situation isn't remotely realistic. |
Nabeshin |
Apr-16-07 05:37 PM |
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Good points |
Xela |
Apr-17-07 10:14 AM |
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expressing such a sentiment should be grounds for automatic refusal... |
mike_c |
Apr-16-07 02:36 PM |
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That's offensive. |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 02:39 PM |
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so you think more shooting is the answer...? |
mike_c |
Apr-16-07 02:53 PM |
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Yea, Only the BAD guy was shooting.. |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-16-07 02:54 PM |
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Quick... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-16-07 02:59 PM |
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Well, you make sure you have a 9mm with a 15 shot magazine..... |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-16-07 03:04 PM |
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Darn straight, podner!!! |
Hobarticus |
Apr-16-07 03:07 PM |
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"You whirl around, pull your concealed-carry, and look for the shooter." |
Xela |
Apr-16-07 05:21 PM |
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Wow, you mean an anti was making an anti gun argument... |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 05:23 PM |
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Actually, I know a great deal about firearms, and have several myself... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-17-07 08:26 AM |
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LOL! So you mean to tell me... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-17-07 08:33 AM |
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You'll play along? |
Xela |
Apr-17-07 09:06 AM |
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I've owned up to my scenario... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-17-07 09:14 AM |
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You did not...but nevermind... |
Xela |
Apr-17-07 09:53 AM |
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I live in Florida, the Gunshine state. |
scrinmaster |
Apr-17-07 08:40 AM |
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I didn't say that. |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 02:58 PM |
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Teddy Kennedy probably didn't buy his car thinking "let's drive drunk!" |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 04:30 PM |
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And he lost 2 brothers to guns. |
Old and In the Way |
Apr-16-07 05:19 PM |
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Whereas advocating taking guns away from everyone... |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 05:20 PM |
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A point could be made that typically one would expect, on a Dem |
Wickerman |
Apr-16-07 09:33 PM |
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Save it |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 11:31 PM |
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Kennedy a scourge to our party? |
Wickerman |
Apr-17-07 07:28 AM |
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He doesn't swoon over the gun lobby... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-17-07 09:36 AM |
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Didn't Senator JFK sponsor protectionist legislation for gun-makers in Mass? |
SteveM |
Apr-16-07 09:15 PM |
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"I need to carry a concealed gun" is NOT a political opinion... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-16-07 02:55 PM |
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True, but we enlightened liberals do not denigrate people for opinions. nt |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 03:09 PM |
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"I want a concealed gun" isn't any sort of opinion, at all... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-16-07 03:23 PM |
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Need? Try right! |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 07:59 PM |
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I'm not belittling anyone... |
Hobarticus |
Apr-17-07 08:36 AM |
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Bullshit n/t |
simskl |
Apr-16-07 02:54 PM |
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A cop's opinion |
liliysdad |
Apr-16-07 04:00 PM |
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Thanks! |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 04:08 PM |
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Yeah, thanks |
cgrindley |
Apr-16-07 04:47 PM |
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Thanks for your support. |
Xela |
Apr-16-07 05:03 PM |
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If this is a serious propositition... |
Xela |
Apr-16-07 04:47 PM |
#91 |
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Same thing here in CT |
cgrindley |
Apr-16-07 06:10 PM |
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Texas require classroom time (including non-violent dispute resolution), background check, range tim |
TX-RAT |
Apr-17-07 10:21 AM |
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Texas stats |
Xela |
Apr-17-07 07:35 PM |
#162 |
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I apologize for defending gun rights while this was going on. |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 06:50 PM |
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Look what "venting" over 9/11 got us |
cgrindley |
Apr-16-07 06:52 PM |
#123 |
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What cgrindley said |
hydrashok75 |
Apr-16-07 06:57 PM |
#124 |
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Yeah,but it is not like this thread will become an act of Congress. |
Deep13 |
Apr-16-07 07:20 PM |
#125 |
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Problem is... |
virginia mountainman |
Apr-16-07 08:08 PM |
#127 |
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