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Sat Oct-18-08 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #94 |
| 95. "True liberalism is NOT about "controlling the little people," " |
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Edited on Sat Oct-18-08 10:40 PM by Howzit
I agree with you 100%, but would add that any politician that sees the common folk as not to be trusted with guns are themselves not trustworthy - I make no distinction between Republicans or Democrats in this regard.
I disagree that the push for new gun control laws is actually intended to suppress crime. The handgun ban in DC was not intended to stop crooks from hurting the law abiding, but rather to reduce the risk that otherwise law abiding gun owners might flip and take out their ire on nearby lawmakers. People further away would have to travel to DC to do the same thing and that would take more premeditation than would be sustained by spur of the moment anger.
Criminals preying on those that are disarmed by DC's laws live in an under-culture where they already act with disregard to law and probably don't follow or care about the political process. As such, politicians don't fear those human predators that disregard gun laws, but use the continued disregard of these laws to justify further restriction and more control of the "little people".
That said, the gun owners I know are not impulsive people and are a threat only in the minds of politicians that want a federal ban on handguns, concealed carry and "assault weapons".
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| -The conservative roots of U.S. gun control... |
benEzra |
Mar-07-07 01:48 PM |
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Excellent post |
krispos42 |
Mar-07-07 01:59 PM |
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Hear Hear!! |
virginia mountainman |
Mar-07-07 03:36 PM |
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Gun control has strong racist roots |
Solo_in_MD |
Mar-07-07 03:44 PM |
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he fought the good fight |
iverglas |
Jul-27-08 08:43 PM |
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Please. how about a tiny bit of common sense? |
robinlynne |
Mar-07-07 03:52 PM |
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Yes, after all... |
virginia mountainman |
Mar-07-07 06:48 PM |
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I'm all for common sense... |
benEzra |
Mar-07-07 07:02 PM |
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I think the poster is using common sense. |
joshcryer |
May-14-07 02:11 PM |
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"Get the government off my back" is a RW message |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-07-07 04:21 PM |
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It's actually a libertarian message |
piedmont |
Mar-07-07 05:22 PM |
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Yes. It is a libertarian message... |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-07-07 05:32 PM |
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As do we. |
piedmont |
Mar-07-07 07:18 PM |
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And the way to DEFUSE the gun issue... |
benEzra |
Mar-07-07 07:21 PM |
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Which may explain why most DUers probably own guns (nt) |
SteveM |
Jul-28-08 05:30 PM |
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No one is talking about making guns more available... |
benEzra |
Mar-07-07 07:14 PM |
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You proudly cited that Ohio Gov Strickland, D, would have forced guns into Cleveland |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-08-07 07:53 AM |
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Do the people's civil rights stop at City boundaries? |
virginia mountainman |
Mar-08-07 07:59 AM |
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the government took away Cleveland's right to regulate a safety issue in their community |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-08-07 08:37 AM |
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Still don't change the fact.. |
virginia mountainman |
Mar-08-07 11:45 AM |
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So should Cleveland have the right to issue stricter DL requirements? |
krispos42 |
Mar-08-07 11:56 AM |
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Weapons restrictions in the cities are the best law we can get |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-08-07 12:54 PM |
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Isn't, using political power to keep the law abiding unarmed .... |
virginia mountainman |
Mar-08-07 04:10 PM |
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So you are preferring a country like the Philipines, where everyone is armed... |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-08-07 04:26 PM |
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America is NOT, like the Philippines. |
virginia mountainman |
Mar-08-07 04:41 PM |
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It's not a question of preferance. |
dairydog91 |
Mar-08-07 06:48 PM |
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The rural vs. urban take on gun control... |
hydrashok75 |
Mar-09-07 03:40 PM |
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I see it's time for another stroll down memory lane |
iverglas |
Jul-27-08 08:42 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-02-08 11:13 AM |
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Philippines does not have right to bear arms |
dalus |
Oct-13-08 11:14 PM |
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Local laws can't violate 14A, the basis for modern civil rights. |
SteveM |
Mar-08-07 04:13 PM |
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You are not stating the purpose of weapons control |
krispos42 |
Mar-09-07 02:34 PM |
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Newspapers, liberal or conservative , rarely |
spin |
Oct-14-08 05:45 PM |
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Strickland merely blocked attempts to make decades-legal guns illegal... |
benEzra |
Mar-08-07 10:23 AM |
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I proudly voted for Strickland |
WWFZD |
Mar-24-08 07:11 PM |
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us old geezers remember............ |
one-eyed fat man |
Aug-13-08 02:40 PM |
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"Get the government off my back" is a bipartisan message |
krispos42 |
Mar-08-07 03:43 AM |
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Actually, I'd argue... |
benEzra |
Mar-08-07 07:13 AM |
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The contrived "RW message" is too stale to be stigma. |
SteveM |
Mar-08-07 04:02 PM |
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None of the last four national elections turned on the weapons issue |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-08-07 04:30 PM |
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Yea, please pass over some of what your smoking |
virginia mountainman |
Mar-08-07 05:13 PM |
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It is generally accepted that the 1994 Feinstein ban cost the House and Senate |
benEzra |
Mar-08-07 05:39 PM |
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Even Bill Clinton said gun control cost Gore the election. |
SteveM |
Mar-09-07 11:29 AM |
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Some documentation would be a nice thing |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-09-07 01:00 PM |
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No need to document it... |
virginia mountainman |
Mar-09-07 01:33 PM |
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You just capitulated |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-09-07 02:05 PM |
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No... |
virginia mountainman |
Mar-09-07 03:53 PM |
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Who is the "most in here" you refer to in post 36? eom |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-09-07 04:10 PM |
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From President Clinton's autobiography: |
benEzra |
Mar-10-07 07:34 AM |
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Gore lost WV on account of coal / destruction-of-the-atmosphere |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-11-07 11:07 AM |
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Bill Clinton is still trying to make the 2nd about hunting |
krispos42 |
Mar-11-07 03:17 PM |
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Bull and shit |
krispos42 |
Mar-09-07 04:01 AM |
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Fair trade, the War in Iraq, and Foley's sexual abuse of minor pages put Webb &Tester in the Senate |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-09-07 01:04 PM |
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Right. The AWB had nothing at all to do with it. |
krispos42 |
Mar-09-07 02:16 PM |
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Bullshit yourself, to borrow your rude verbiage. I did not say that |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-09-07 02:29 PM |
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Handgrips and magazines? Really? |
krispos42 |
Mar-09-07 02:59 PM |
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Great Post |
virginia mountainman |
Mar-09-07 03:56 PM |
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nothing inconsistent about the Constitution |
app_farmer_rb |
Mar-09-07 05:05 PM |
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No one called Jim Webb a weathervane... |
benEzra |
Mar-10-07 07:18 AM |
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Did James Webb get the NRA endorsement? |
TheBorealAvenger |
Mar-11-07 11:09 AM |
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No, just an NRA "A" rating--AND pulled in enough of the gun vote to win. |
benEzra |
Mar-11-07 01:52 PM |
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Jim Webb was FOR REAL |
virginia mountainman |
Mar-11-07 05:10 PM |
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Yeah! I love Jim Webb. He was excellent. |
joshcryer |
May-14-07 02:16 PM |
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The NRA policy on this is sensible... |
hydrashok75 |
Mar-23-07 03:50 PM |
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Straight from the horse's mouth... |
Xela |
Mar-08-07 10:12 AM |
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Thanks Xela |
WWFZD |
Mar-24-08 07:28 PM |
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Found another goodie about conservatives instigating gun controls... |
benEzra |
Mar-22-07 05:04 PM |
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Thanks. n/t |
jody |
Mar-22-07 05:15 PM |
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Dick Nixon and his buddy Ronnie RAYgun |
hydrashok75 |
Mar-22-07 09:18 PM |
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Kick for Randi Rhodes |
krispos42 |
Apr-18-07 04:47 AM |
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Xenophobia... |
benEzra |
Apr-18-07 07:09 AM |
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I call it the 'B-A-G' Technique to subvert the Constituion |
friendly_iconoclast |
Apr-18-07 04:46 PM |
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Interesting article on this in G&A |
krispos42 |
May-13-07 05:10 PM |
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The racist roots of gun control grow deeply... |
SteveM |
Mar-23-08 10:13 AM |
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I've never understood how someone could consider........ |
Boomer 50 |
Mar-23-08 11:44 PM |
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Bennett (nicotine & gambling addict) is also a rabid drug prohi. |
SteveM |
Mar-24-08 10:06 AM |
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the misogynist roots of US sexual assault laws |
iverglas |
Mar-24-08 07:34 PM |
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so I'm gonna quote it |
iverglas |
Oct-14-08 11:53 AM |
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and all and sundry will continue to pretend that if they pretend it's not there |
iverglas |
Oct-14-08 02:02 PM |
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VERY good info, thanks (n/t) |
spin |
Jul-27-08 07:58 PM |
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The first gun control laws in the US were designed to prevent |
old mark |
Jul-28-08 10:03 AM |
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No shocking moments here |
Karl_Bonner_1982 |
Jul-29-08 07:31 PM |
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Interesting |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-13-08 12:18 PM |
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Re-reading some of these posts has me wondering |
old mark |
Oct-14-08 10:21 AM |
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Hey, I'm with you! |
iverglas |
Oct-14-08 11:18 AM |
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Yes. I believe you should be able to own a car capable of triple-digit speeds. |
benEzra |
Oct-15-08 11:05 AM |
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ah; and to continue the analogy started not by me |
iverglas |
Oct-15-08 04:45 PM |
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Legally, I am so entitled. Biologically, medicine hasn't advanced quite that far.... |
benEzra |
Oct-17-08 07:10 AM |
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exactly! |
iverglas |
Oct-17-08 08:25 AM |
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Ah, but the legitimate restriction is restriction on the improper action. |
benEzra |
Oct-18-08 07:18 PM |
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excellent |
bossy22 |
Oct-19-08 06:12 PM |
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and the distinction you claim is utterly specious |
iverglas |
Oct-20-08 05:27 PM |
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A quote: |
old mark |
Oct-14-08 06:28 PM |
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Libertarian |
Jagan |
Oct-15-08 01:35 AM |
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Does this mean that I can not vote for Obama? nt |
old mark |
Oct-15-08 06:19 AM |
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Ok; so that is looking backward |
Howzit |
Oct-17-08 08:11 PM |
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You mean... |
benEzra |
Oct-18-08 07:47 PM |
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"True liberalism is NOT about "controlling the little people," " |
Howzit |
Oct-18-08 10:33 PM |
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sometimes ... |
iverglas |
Oct-20-08 05:48 PM |
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Your comments on the topic are of the best I have read: |
Howzit |
Oct-18-08 11:39 PM |
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Thank you. Here's hoping that the Powers that Be take it to heart... |
benEzra |
Oct-19-08 04:18 PM |
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yes, it's those exceptional people again |
iverglas |
Oct-20-08 05:46 PM |
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Only one Comment, to say "H.L. Mencken was no Friend to the Right" is to get things backward |
happyslug |
Oct-20-08 03:20 PM |
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