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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 02:24 AM
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75. Not a good statistic...
I checked out some info on the FBI's website. It looks like in 2003 there were slightly less than 15,000 homicides in this country. Slighty less than 10,000 were caused by guns in one fashion or another.

The real question here is does banning guns reduce homicides?

Of course homicides by guns go down as they are removed from the public. That is obvious. I bet there are very few people killed by horse-drawn chariots every year as well. Not because chariots have gotten safer, but because there are few chariots running around. I also bet that fewer people die per capita from frostbite in Arizona than in North Dakota. If you remove the manner of potential death from a population, then the deaths caused by that potential will decrease.

I bet that Germany also has a really low rate of handgun suicide. They probably have a comperable suicide rate to us, but the anti-gun advocate would note only the really low handgun-suicide rate and ignore the drastically higher rates by jumping, pills, and self-mutilation.

Those countries mentioned above are not known for gun rights, and have a low number of guns per capita. The question is are homicide rates per capita that much better? In the US, we have 15,000 homicides in a population of some 280,000,000, or about 5.35 per hundred thousand people per year. Is Germany better or worse?


There are some 220 million firearms in this country, which represents some 60%+ of the total worldwide civilian firearm population. I'm pretty sure we don't have 60% of all firearm homicides.
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  -Question I can't answer Spica  Jul-03-06 03:30 PM   #0 
  - I think that people who don't know how to use them should not carry them  eleny   Jul-03-06 03:33 PM   #1 
  - I think the idea would be that other people would be safer.  bemildred   Jul-03-06 03:33 PM   #2 
  - ask them in return to prove the people were safer  AZDemDist6   Jul-03-06 03:36 PM   #3 
  - Not a good statistic...  krispos42   Jul-10-06 02:24 AM   #75 
  - Turn the question around...  Totally Committed   Jul-03-06 03:37 PM   #4 
  - That doesn't fly  Spica   Jul-03-06 03:43 PM   #6 
     - Gun crime has not risen in England. n/t  Finder   Jul-03-06 03:56 PM   #10 
     - Violent crime certainly has though  Spica   Jul-03-06 04:12 PM   #14 
     - Not true...  57_TomCat   Jul-03-06 06:13 PM   #19 
        - I'm intrigued...  Pert_UK   Jul-25-06 09:34 AM   #81 
     - damn, you're good!  iverglas   Jul-04-06 09:24 AM   #32 
        - It is not a pointless question...  Spica   Jul-05-06 12:05 PM   #40 
           - so ... I'm still wondering  iverglas   Jul-05-06 05:27 PM   #47 
              - Thanks for setting me straight.  Spica   Jul-05-06 07:12 PM   #50 
                 - "still doesn't answer the question"  iverglas   Jul-05-06 07:36 PM   #51 
                    - Again thank you  Spica   Jul-05-06 07:52 PM   #53 
  - Couldn't we just compare the violent crime rate here to that of England  Skip Intro   Jul-03-06 03:39 PM   #5 
  - England?  Finder   Jul-03-06 03:46 PM   #7 
  - Gee....  catnhatnh   Jul-03-06 03:55 PM   #8 
  - I support the second amendment.....the thing about lawless times  Ragazz68   Jul-03-06 03:55 PM   #9 
  - Britain is a great example.  Ravy   Jul-03-06 04:01 PM   #11 
  - Not really, and here's why  slackmaster   Jul-05-06 01:09 PM   #43 
  - Here is my take on the subject  blimpie   Jul-03-06 04:02 PM   #12 
  - You mean like in the District of Columbia?  benEzra   Jul-03-06 10:06 PM   #27 
  - or hey, how about my house?  iverglas   Jul-04-06 09:31 AM   #33 
     - Quite so...  benEzra   Jul-04-06 03:53 PM   #38 
     - it is?  iverglas   Jul-04-06 04:52 PM   #39 
        - A quibble.  thefamethrowa   Jul-06-06 09:46 PM   #70 
     - So what should we work on changing?  Nabeshin   Jul-06-06 03:55 AM   #55 
        - eek! sounds like COMMUNISM to me!!!  iverglas   Jul-06-06 07:52 AM   #58 
           - What's your point?  Nabeshin   Jul-06-06 02:58 PM   #66 
              - my my my; YA THINK???  iverglas   Jul-06-06 03:47 PM   #68 
                 - Sigh...  Nabeshin   Jul-07-06 12:37 AM   #71 
                    - talk about yer over-heated, eh?  iverglas   Jul-07-06 10:57 AM   #72 
                       - That's quite a catalog of fallacious arguments.  Nabeshin   Jul-08-06 02:05 AM   #74 
  - Of course they would be easier to spot!  krispos42   Jul-10-06 02:50 AM   #76 
  - Try google...or our old pal Ann Ecdotal  SoCalDem   Jul-03-06 04:05 PM   #13 
  - It takes only an instant  left is right   Jul-03-06 05:27 PM   #15 
  - That is true that guns can make people aggressors.  blimpie   Jul-03-06 05:37 PM   #16 
     - I respect your opinion, and your personal choices on the subject...  benEzra   Jul-03-06 10:18 PM   #28 
     - my goodness  iverglas   Jul-04-06 09:36 AM   #34 
        - No, they're not...thank goodness...  benEzra   Jul-04-06 03:53 PM   #37 
     - I used to own a .22 rifle and a .38 revolver  slackmaster   Jul-05-06 01:15 PM   #45 
  - Can't answer that ,but  justgamma   Jul-03-06 05:46 PM   #17 
  - I cannot think of any time gun restrictions have worked  schwindj   Jul-03-06 06:02 PM   #18 
     - National Guard  blimpie   Jul-03-06 06:26 PM   #20 
        - National Guard is not the militia  Spica   Jul-03-06 06:52 PM   #22 
        - Militia definition.....sounds like the NG to me.  blimpie   Jul-03-06 07:14 PM   #23 
           - Federal law defines the militia as every male citizen aged 18 to 45...  benEzra   Jul-03-06 10:21 PM   #29 
           - The NG is under Federal Command  hydrashok75   Jul-06-06 10:12 AM   #59 
        - Facts not assumptions  PeterBrady   Jul-03-06 07:18 PM   #24 
        - You have proved my point. about the NG  blimpie   Jul-03-06 07:28 PM   #25 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-03-06 08:04 PM   #26 
           - The right recognized is not that of the militia, but of the PEOPLE...  benEzra   Jul-03-06 10:27 PM   #30 
              - The 2nd amendment can always be changed or interpreted differently  blimpie   Jul-04-06 05:44 AM   #31 
                 - short on facts strong on hyperbole n/t  crankybubba   Jul-04-06 11:59 AM   #35 
                 - My wife and I, and 80 million others, strongly disagree with you...  benEzra   Jul-04-06 03:49 PM   #36 
                 - The People  Spica   Jul-05-06 12:31 PM   #41 
                 - pretty learnèd discourse  iverglas   Jul-05-06 05:48 PM   #48 
                 - Even if the Second Amendment doesn't say that, the Ninth does  slackmaster   Jul-05-06 01:13 PM   #44 
                 - That doesn't make any sense.  hydrashok75   Jul-06-06 10:15 AM   #60 
        - well regulated = well trained  DonP   Jul-05-06 04:36 PM   #46 
  - Ok.  LWolf   Jul-03-06 06:45 PM   #21 
  - Let me elaborate.  Spica   Jul-05-06 12:48 PM   #42 
  - oh lookie, I finally found it  iverglas   Jul-05-06 06:34 PM   #49 
  - Thank you for the reference.  Spica   Jul-05-06 07:41 PM   #52 
  - Wow....  Pert_UK   Jul-25-06 04:29 AM   #80 
  - now now, people come here seeking answers  Wickerman   Jul-05-06 08:16 PM   #54 
  - Grade A sophistry  Nabeshin   Jul-06-06 04:20 AM   #56 
     - bears repeating  iverglas   Jul-06-06 07:46 AM   #57 
        - Fine, here's one off the top of my head  Spica   Jul-06-06 12:10 PM   #61 
           - don't hold you breath waiting for a response  crankybubba   Jul-06-06 12:30 PM   #62 
           - why is it?  iverglas   Jul-06-06 01:06 PM   #63 
              - peeing dogs aside...  crankybubba   Jul-06-06 02:41 PM   #64 
              - Shoulda, woulda, coulda...  Spica   Jul-06-06 02:56 PM   #65 
              - Again, thank you  Spica   Jul-06-06 03:42 PM   #67 
                 - hey, I played your stupid party game, chum  iverglas   Jul-06-06 04:05 PM   #69 
  - Impact of Brady Law  pat0704   Jul-07-06 09:38 PM   #73 
  - Gun owners generally don't oppose the background check requirement...  benEzra   Jul-12-06 08:08 AM   #78 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-06 10:34 PM   #77 
  - Although the question makes logical sense, it's disingenuous...  Pert_UK   Jul-25-06 04:09 AM   #79 
  - Oo! Oo! Yet another way to look at it....(how exciting this all is!)  Pert_UK   Jul-25-06 09:41 AM   #82 
  - Ask Paul Martin  Speaker   Jul-27-06 06:18 AM   #83 
 

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