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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-05-06 01:09 PM
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43. Not really, and here's why
Edited on Wed Jul-05-06 01:12 PM by slackmaster
The British homicide rate has always been lower than the US homicide rate.

In 1920 when Britain passed its first gun control legislation, the homicide rate (murder, manslaughter, plus infanticide) for England and Wales was 8.3 per million. It went down slightly over several decades, reaching 6.2 in 1960, but by 1975 it was already back up to 10.3. My source gives a rate of 14.1 per million for 1997.

http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/rp99/rp99...

In 1920 the US homicide rate was 6.8 per 100,000. US gun control began in 1934 with the National Firearms Act; it didn't get really serious until 1968 with the Gun Control Act.

The US homicide rate bottomed out in the late 1950s and early '60s at around 4.5, then back up to 9.9 in 1975 and I have a figure of 7.4 for 1997 for comparison with the British rate.

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/homicide.htm#usmu

The US homicide rate has been around 5-7 times the rate for England and Wales throughout the period for which numbers are available. Neither country has seen a precipitous drop that can be clearly associated with the adoption of gun control at any time.



Just eyeballing the graph above, it looks to me like the factors that may have been most important in reducing US homicides were the New Deal in the '30s, World War II which not only put people to work but shipped young men overseas in large numbers, and economic prosperity (I read that as good employment) in the days of the Clinton Administration.
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  -Question I can't answer Spica  Jul-03-06 03:30 PM   #0 
  - I think that people who don't know how to use them should not carry them  eleny   Jul-03-06 03:33 PM   #1 
  - I think the idea would be that other people would be safer.  bemildred   Jul-03-06 03:33 PM   #2 
  - ask them in return to prove the people were safer  AZDemDist6   Jul-03-06 03:36 PM   #3 
  - Not a good statistic...  krispos42   Jul-10-06 02:24 AM   #75 
  - Turn the question around...  Totally Committed   Jul-03-06 03:37 PM   #4 
  - That doesn't fly  Spica   Jul-03-06 03:43 PM   #6 
     - Gun crime has not risen in England. n/t  Finder   Jul-03-06 03:56 PM   #10 
     - Violent crime certainly has though  Spica   Jul-03-06 04:12 PM   #14 
     - Not true...  57_TomCat   Jul-03-06 06:13 PM   #19 
        - I'm intrigued...  Pert_UK   Jul-25-06 09:34 AM   #81 
     - damn, you're good!  iverglas   Jul-04-06 09:24 AM   #32 
        - It is not a pointless question...  Spica   Jul-05-06 12:05 PM   #40 
           - so ... I'm still wondering  iverglas   Jul-05-06 05:27 PM   #47 
              - Thanks for setting me straight.  Spica   Jul-05-06 07:12 PM   #50 
                 - "still doesn't answer the question"  iverglas   Jul-05-06 07:36 PM   #51 
                    - Again thank you  Spica   Jul-05-06 07:52 PM   #53 
  - Couldn't we just compare the violent crime rate here to that of England  Skip Intro   Jul-03-06 03:39 PM   #5 
  - England?  Finder   Jul-03-06 03:46 PM   #7 
  - Gee....  catnhatnh   Jul-03-06 03:55 PM   #8 
  - I support the second amendment.....the thing about lawless times  Ragazz68   Jul-03-06 03:55 PM   #9 
  - Britain is a great example.  Ravy   Jul-03-06 04:01 PM   #11 
  - Not really, and here's why  slackmaster   Jul-05-06 01:09 PM   #43 
  - Here is my take on the subject  blimpie   Jul-03-06 04:02 PM   #12 
  - You mean like in the District of Columbia?  benEzra   Jul-03-06 10:06 PM   #27 
  - or hey, how about my house?  iverglas   Jul-04-06 09:31 AM   #33 
     - Quite so...  benEzra   Jul-04-06 03:53 PM   #38 
     - it is?  iverglas   Jul-04-06 04:52 PM   #39 
        - A quibble.  thefamethrowa   Jul-06-06 09:46 PM   #70 
     - So what should we work on changing?  Nabeshin   Jul-06-06 03:55 AM   #55 
        - eek! sounds like COMMUNISM to me!!!  iverglas   Jul-06-06 07:52 AM   #58 
           - What's your point?  Nabeshin   Jul-06-06 02:58 PM   #66 
              - my my my; YA THINK???  iverglas   Jul-06-06 03:47 PM   #68 
                 - Sigh...  Nabeshin   Jul-07-06 12:37 AM   #71 
                    - talk about yer over-heated, eh?  iverglas   Jul-07-06 10:57 AM   #72 
                       - That's quite a catalog of fallacious arguments.  Nabeshin   Jul-08-06 02:05 AM   #74 
  - Of course they would be easier to spot!  krispos42   Jul-10-06 02:50 AM   #76 
  - Try google...or our old pal Ann Ecdotal  SoCalDem   Jul-03-06 04:05 PM   #13 
  - It takes only an instant  left is right   Jul-03-06 05:27 PM   #15 
  - That is true that guns can make people aggressors.  blimpie   Jul-03-06 05:37 PM   #16 
     - I respect your opinion, and your personal choices on the subject...  benEzra   Jul-03-06 10:18 PM   #28 
     - my goodness  iverglas   Jul-04-06 09:36 AM   #34 
        - No, they're not...thank goodness...  benEzra   Jul-04-06 03:53 PM   #37 
     - I used to own a .22 rifle and a .38 revolver  slackmaster   Jul-05-06 01:15 PM   #45 
  - Can't answer that ,but  justgamma   Jul-03-06 05:46 PM   #17 
  - I cannot think of any time gun restrictions have worked  schwindj   Jul-03-06 06:02 PM   #18 
     - National Guard  blimpie   Jul-03-06 06:26 PM   #20 
        - National Guard is not the militia  Spica   Jul-03-06 06:52 PM   #22 
        - Militia definition.....sounds like the NG to me.  blimpie   Jul-03-06 07:14 PM   #23 
           - Federal law defines the militia as every male citizen aged 18 to 45...  benEzra   Jul-03-06 10:21 PM   #29 
           - The NG is under Federal Command  hydrashok75   Jul-06-06 10:12 AM   #59 
        - Facts not assumptions  PeterBrady   Jul-03-06 07:18 PM   #24 
        - You have proved my point. about the NG  blimpie   Jul-03-06 07:28 PM   #25 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-03-06 08:04 PM   #26 
           - The right recognized is not that of the militia, but of the PEOPLE...  benEzra   Jul-03-06 10:27 PM   #30 
              - The 2nd amendment can always be changed or interpreted differently  blimpie   Jul-04-06 05:44 AM   #31 
                 - short on facts strong on hyperbole n/t  crankybubba   Jul-04-06 11:59 AM   #35 
                 - My wife and I, and 80 million others, strongly disagree with you...  benEzra   Jul-04-06 03:49 PM   #36 
                 - The People  Spica   Jul-05-06 12:31 PM   #41 
                 - pretty learnèd discourse  iverglas   Jul-05-06 05:48 PM   #48 
                 - Even if the Second Amendment doesn't say that, the Ninth does  slackmaster   Jul-05-06 01:13 PM   #44 
                 - That doesn't make any sense.  hydrashok75   Jul-06-06 10:15 AM   #60 
        - well regulated = well trained  DonP   Jul-05-06 04:36 PM   #46 
  - Ok.  LWolf   Jul-03-06 06:45 PM   #21 
  - Let me elaborate.  Spica   Jul-05-06 12:48 PM   #42 
  - oh lookie, I finally found it  iverglas   Jul-05-06 06:34 PM   #49 
  - Thank you for the reference.  Spica   Jul-05-06 07:41 PM   #52 
  - Wow....  Pert_UK   Jul-25-06 04:29 AM   #80 
  - now now, people come here seeking answers  Wickerman   Jul-05-06 08:16 PM   #54 
  - Grade A sophistry  Nabeshin   Jul-06-06 04:20 AM   #56 
     - bears repeating  iverglas   Jul-06-06 07:46 AM   #57 
        - Fine, here's one off the top of my head  Spica   Jul-06-06 12:10 PM   #61 
           - don't hold you breath waiting for a response  crankybubba   Jul-06-06 12:30 PM   #62 
           - why is it?  iverglas   Jul-06-06 01:06 PM   #63 
              - peeing dogs aside...  crankybubba   Jul-06-06 02:41 PM   #64 
              - Shoulda, woulda, coulda...  Spica   Jul-06-06 02:56 PM   #65 
              - Again, thank you  Spica   Jul-06-06 03:42 PM   #67 
                 - hey, I played your stupid party game, chum  iverglas   Jul-06-06 04:05 PM   #69 
  - Impact of Brady Law  pat0704   Jul-07-06 09:38 PM   #73 
  - Gun owners generally don't oppose the background check requirement...  benEzra   Jul-12-06 08:08 AM   #78 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-06 10:34 PM   #77 
  - Although the question makes logical sense, it's disingenuous...  Pert_UK   Jul-25-06 04:09 AM   #79 
  - Oo! Oo! Yet another way to look at it....(how exciting this all is!)  Pert_UK   Jul-25-06 09:41 AM   #82 
  - Ask Paul Martin  Speaker   Jul-27-06 06:18 AM   #83 
 

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