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OrdinaryTa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 09:17 AM
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Right to Bear Arms - Protection Against Tyranny?
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It's almost a mantra among Second Amendment enthusiasts that the right to bear arms protects our citizens from tyranny. Unfortunately, this principle doesn't seem to hold universally. In Iraq, where everybody and his uncle walks around with a Kalashnikov, those people haven't known freedom for decades.

At a wedding ceremony, for example, the guests celebrate the union of bride and groom by firing automatic rifles in the air. It's hard to imagine that happening anywhere in the United States. But the Iraqis go from one tyrant to the next.

Do guns bring freedom? Or is that just a saying?
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  -Right to Bear Arms - Protection Against Tyranny? OrdinaryTa  Sep-21-03 09:17 AM   #0 
  - It's just a saying...  wyldwolf   Sep-21-03 09:20 AM   #1 
  - OK....you're going to have to explain  Superfly   Sep-21-03 10:25 AM   #20 
     - How what is absurd?  wyldwolf   Sep-21-03 12:32 PM   #28 
        - That saying  Superfly   Sep-21-03 12:36 PM   #29 
           - Very absurd... and illogical...  wyldwolf   Sep-21-03 12:45 PM   #30 
           - sort-of, but not really.  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 12:52 PM   #31 
              - Definitely... and really....  wyldwolf   Sep-21-03 01:04 PM   #34 
              - If you're arguing we need to disarm people to prevent killing sprees...  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 01:12 PM   #39 
                 - That's not what I'm arguing at all...  wyldwolf   Sep-21-03 01:18 PM   #40 
                    - you're quoting KELLERMANN!?!?!?!?  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 01:21 PM   #41 
                       - Well, you're the one discrediting Kellermann...  wyldwolf   Sep-21-03 01:27 PM   #42 
                       - They held congressional subcomittee hearings on it...  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 06:15 PM   #55 
                          - **** YOU are seriously MISLED! ******  wyldwolf   Sep-21-03 07:25 PM   #60 
                             - Heh...  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 07:36 PM   #62 
                                - HEH! Funny! I HAVE his DATA SETS! And you're STILL avoiding the issue!  wyldwolf   Sep-21-03 07:47 PM   #63 
                                   - You're claiming that his COMPLETE DATA SETS...  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 08:20 PM   #65 
                                   - Jeez. Benchley is right about one thing.  dirk   Sep-21-03 08:23 PM   #66 
                                      - heh...  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 08:28 PM   #70 
                                      - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-21-03 08:36 PM   #72 
                                         - Tut tut!  dirk   Sep-21-03 09:58 PM   #75 
                                         - try this:  DoNotRefill   Sep-22-03 12:14 AM   #79 
                                         - teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms???  iverglas   Sep-22-03 01:38 AM   #81 
                                         - Actually....  DoNotRefill   Sep-22-03 02:05 AM   #82 
                                         - can you try reading what's on your monitor?  iverglas   Sep-22-03 04:29 AM   #83 
                                      - Gun nuts have been howling about Kellerman  MrBenchley   Sep-22-03 08:15 AM   #85 
                                         - I guess the gun loons in the NRA don't have enough money to pay off...  wyldwolf   Sep-22-03 10:22 AM   #88 
                                            - Yup...  MrBenchley   Sep-22-03 10:36 AM   #90 
                       - More silliness from the RKBA crowd  MrBenchley   Sep-22-03 08:14 AM   #84 
              - Hammers don't build houses; carpenters build houses.  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-21-03 02:50 PM   #45 
              - Your avatar is BUDDHA?  blondeatlast   Sep-21-03 04:41 PM   #50 
              - yup...  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 08:26 PM   #69 
              - Okay, I'll buy that.  library_max   Sep-21-03 04:58 PM   #51 
           - yes, muderers do kill people, but...  dobak   Sep-21-03 06:36 PM   #58 
              - heh...  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 08:25 PM   #68 
              - BAN ALL GUNS!  RoeBear   Sep-21-03 09:14 PM   #73 
  - Carried to its logical conclusion  soupkitchen   Sep-21-03 09:22 AM   #2 
  - You can get a nuclear bomb if you really want one  slackmaster   Sep-21-03 09:24 AM   #3 
  - Are you kidding?  Trek234   Sep-21-03 10:00 AM   #15 
     - No, I'm perfectly serious  slackmaster   Sep-21-03 10:11 AM   #17 
        - <sigh>  Trek234   Sep-21-03 11:28 AM   #25 
           - not even close:  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 01:00 PM   #33 
              - Oh, BTW....check out:  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 01:06 PM   #35 
              - Your own examples ruin your argument  dirk   Sep-21-03 05:27 PM   #54 
                 - sure they can.  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 06:30 PM   #56 
                    - It's not about money (at all)  dirk   Sep-21-03 07:34 PM   #61 
                       - OK...  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 08:03 PM   #64 
                          - You still haven't shown me  dirk   Sep-21-03 08:34 PM   #71 
                             - Did you see the Pantex link above?  DoNotRefill   Sep-22-03 12:18 AM   #80 
                             - Uh, ya  dirk   Sep-22-03 09:16 AM   #86 
                                - Ah.  DoNotRefill   Sep-22-03 11:37 AM   #91 
                             - Burden of proof, dirk  slackmaster   Sep-22-03 10:20 AM   #87 
                                - Actually, slackmaster  dirk   Sep-22-03 02:04 PM   #92 
  - Sigh..the old nuclear weapons Straw Man.  Fescue4u   Sep-21-03 08:24 PM   #67 
     - Nuclear Straw Man is fun!  slackmaster   Sep-22-03 10:22 AM   #89 
  - How would you prove or disprove it?  rock   Sep-21-03 09:25 AM   #4 
  - Just because it's a Right  StClone   Sep-21-03 09:34 AM   #6 
     - Of course it can be abused....  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 01:07 PM   #36 
  - By the way, it does happen here...  EagleEye   Sep-21-03 09:34 AM   #5 
  - What did a wedding ceremony tradition...  RoeBear   Sep-21-03 09:35 AM   #7 
  - Well technically...  EagleEye   Sep-21-03 09:37 AM   #8 
  - No evidence for guns bringing liberty  quaker bill   Sep-21-03 09:37 AM   #9 
  - By the way I agree with you Bill  soupkitchen   Sep-21-03 09:43 AM   #10 
  - The Patriot Act is an end-run around the 2nd Amendment  T Bone   Sep-21-03 09:45 AM   #12 
  - The Patriot Act is an end-run around the entire Bill of Rights  slackmaster   Sep-21-03 10:52 AM   #21 
  - IMHO, guns don't assure  mantis49   Sep-21-03 03:29 PM   #49 
  - No correlation  maha   Sep-21-03 09:44 AM   #11 
  - More that without firearms it's harder--much harder--to resist tyranny  Mairead   Sep-21-03 09:54 AM   #13 
  - It's easy to debate this and take the "con" POV...  BiggJawn   Sep-21-03 09:57 AM   #14 
  - The only real protection against tyranny is a free press  nuxvomica   Sep-21-03 10:04 AM   #16 
  - People with guns maybe ...  AmeriCanadian   Sep-21-03 10:14 AM   #18 
  - Oppressed people without guns have been a powerful force in history  nuxvomica   Sep-21-03 11:17 AM   #24 
     - Non-violent resistance doesn't always work  knight_of_the_star   Sep-21-03 01:11 PM   #38 
        - But violent resistance never works  library_max   Sep-21-03 05:14 PM   #53 
           - Pick a revolutionary group....  DoNotRefill   Sep-21-03 06:36 PM   #57 
              - Okay, let's see.  library_max   Sep-22-03 05:35 PM   #93 
                 - PIRA: Provisional Irish Republican Army  DoNotRefill   Sep-22-03 05:58 PM   #97 
                    - Every single one of your examples  library_max   Sep-24-03 06:22 PM   #100 
  - ain't that the truth!! And THAT's what we've lost in America  maggrwaggr   Sep-21-03 01:10 PM   #37 
  - Right to bear arms - Protection against crime  Superfly   Sep-21-03 10:24 AM   #19 
  - "Right" to bear arms = right to impose tyranny  baldguy   Sep-21-03 10:56 AM   #22 
  - In 1792....  TomNickell   Sep-21-03 11:15 AM   #23 
  - in 2003  Fescue4u   Sep-21-03 02:48 PM   #44 
  - September 11, 2001.  happyslug   Sep-21-03 10:55 PM   #77 
     - Unless you're Noah Webster  library_max   Sep-22-03 05:39 PM   #94 
  - This makes no sense...  MrPrax   Sep-21-03 12:06 PM   #26 
  - The pen IS mightier than the sword  ThoughtCriminal   Sep-21-03 12:29 PM   #27 
  - A thought on the 2nd Amendment  SOS   Sep-21-03 12:53 PM   #32 
  - Small Arms in Iraq  Fescue4u   Sep-21-03 02:42 PM   #43 
  - I know if the United States were being invaded  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-21-03 02:52 PM   #46 
  - guns are tools  ezmojason   Sep-21-03 03:14 PM   #47 
  - "People have often used them to secure freedom from oppression"  library_max   Sep-22-03 05:47 PM   #95 
  - Umm, the last wedding I attended,  Feanorcurufinwe   Sep-21-03 03:25 PM   #48 
  - Most Pro-Bush gun owners would use them FOR tyranny...  Dr Fate   Sep-21-03 05:07 PM   #52 
  - pink pistols  ezmojason   Sep-21-03 06:43 PM   #59 
  - Good common sense  Procopius   Sep-21-03 09:56 PM   #74 
  - Without organization Guns are useless  happyslug   Sep-21-03 10:26 PM   #76 
     - I also forgot  happyslug   Sep-21-03 11:18 PM   #78 
        - Thus,  library_max   Sep-22-03 05:51 PM   #96 
           - Yes, and can we afford it?  happyslug   Sep-22-03 10:43 PM   #98 
           - Can one of the Rights in the Bill of Rights be "Obsolete"  happyslug   Sep-22-03 11:04 PM   #99 
           - hrmm  thetoolshed   Oct-18-03 03:46 PM   #101 
 

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