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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:51 AM
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27. Delusional nonsense - as usual
Here's a net energy analysis of Solarex's Solar Breeder...

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978pvsp.conf..908W

Solarex's Solar Breeder PV production plant has been in operation since 1982.

http://www.humboldt.edu/~serc/refaqs.html

note: unlike the made-up NJ molten salt breeder reactor - the Solarex plant is "real".

Global PV production is growing exponentially at double digits per year - it's a lucrative *rapidly* growing multi-billion dollar per year business.

Global installations of PV now exceed 6 GWe - and produce much more electricity each year than a "single natural gas plant".

Solar thermal installations currently exceed 13 GWt - that's equivalent to the thermal output of four 1000 MW power plants.

http://gsr.ren21.net/index.php?title=1._Global_Market_O...

Last year, global PV production exceeded 2200 MW and Germany alone installed 920 MW of PV.

Multi-MW PV arrays are in operation in Europe and Asia and under construction here in the US.

The claim that "Solar power can't even power the servers for the websites now running to promote it." is laughable nonsense and false.

Solar is not "a failure".

Solar - not nuclear - is the future and the savior of the planet.



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  -The big question.. 4dsc  May-15-07 04:51 PM   #0 
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  - You can walk 6 miles in 90 minutes (n/t)  muriel_volestrangler   May-16-07 05:42 AM   #15 
     - Not if you're carrying a pony! (n/t)  Nihil   May-16-07 07:10 AM   #16 
     - Not if you're 70 years old with arthritic knees.  GliderGuider   May-16-07 08:05 AM   #17 
     - The tragedy of suburbia  ramapo   May-16-07 09:13 AM   #20 
        - Well typed  NoMoreMyths   May-16-07 09:25 AM   #21 
     - yeah, but I can't carry the groceries or whatever back n/t  AZDemDist6   May-16-07 08:36 AM   #19 
  - Let's slow oil exhaustion first  dave_p   May-15-07 04:58 PM   #2 
  - The answer is yes  jpak   May-15-07 05:18 PM   #3 
  - Solar power can't even power the servers for the websites now running to promote it.  NNadir   May-15-07 06:11 PM   #5 
     - Aluminium  arenean   May-16-07 02:30 AM   #12 
     - Without the energy to melt it, it's practically worthless  NickB79   May-16-07 04:54 AM   #13 
        - Maybe if we just all stare at it really hard. LOL nt  Javaman   May-16-07 10:43 AM   #23 
        - It's an aluminum extrusion, not a 100 pound boulder with some metal dust in it  TheBorealAvenger   May-16-07 10:45 AM   #24 
        - Recycling aluminum requires 5% of the energy it takes to produce it  OKIsItJustMe   May-16-07 10:56 AM   #28 
        - Again - there is plenty of geothermal and hydroelectric capacity to smelt aluminum  jpak   May-16-07 10:57 AM   #29 
           - So let me get this straight  NickB79   May-17-07 01:05 PM   #43 
              - Yes - a handful of large geothermal and/or hydroelectric plants could be used to  jpak   May-17-07 02:18 PM   #47 
     - Check out these curves  OKIsItJustMe   May-16-07 10:30 AM   #22 
     - Really? You mean at peak of day, all the world's solar equals one small coal plant?  NNadir   May-16-07 08:38 PM   #35 
        - "Exponential Growth"  OKIsItJustMe   May-17-07 01:26 PM   #44 
           - I knew a guy who spoke that way about the housing market  NickB79   May-17-07 01:57 PM   #45 
     - Delusional nonsense - as usual  jpak   May-16-07 10:51 AM   #27 
        - How "old" would you say solar PV technology is?  TheBorealAvenger   May-16-07 11:16 AM   #31 
        - For off-grid commercial/residential purposes about 25 years  jpak   May-16-07 12:12 PM   #32 
        - Still a young industry compared with plants that have been online for 30 years like Davis Besse  TheBorealAvenger   May-16-07 01:00 PM   #33 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   May-16-07 09:11 PM   #37 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   May-16-07 08:58 PM   #36 
           - Efficiency is a better investment than nuclear. Now, *you* should invest in some anger management,  TheBorealAvenger   May-17-07 05:34 AM   #42 
        - My bad - Solar thermal installations are currently 13+ GWt *per year*  jpak   May-17-07 02:04 PM   #46 
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  - Technology doesn't need oil???  4dsc   May-15-07 08:21 PM   #6 
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        - Why did you have to go and ruin his bizarre hyperbole with facts?  Javaman   May-16-07 10:46 AM   #25 
        - We don't need to synthesize paleo-petroleum.  TheWraith   May-17-07 04:31 PM   #49 
           - YOu're not thinking to scale  4dsc   May-18-07 06:32 AM   #52 
           - Look at the scale of usage and probable depletion rate  GliderGuider   May-18-07 07:40 AM   #53 
  - But getting there will be the trauma  Pigwidgeon   May-15-07 08:42 PM   #7 
     - Perhaps.  TheWraith   May-17-07 04:51 PM   #50 
  - We might guess?  skids   May-15-07 09:14 PM   #8 
  - And the first exajoule is when?  NNadir   May-15-07 11:09 PM   #10 
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  - I use horses as my Reductio ad absurdum  hunter   May-16-07 09:27 PM   #38 
     - Hamsters are easier to handle  XemaSab   May-17-07 01:57 AM   #40 
        - I've never had a problem with a horse hiding behind my bookcase though ...  Nihil   May-17-07 04:13 AM   #41 
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  - Building or recycling solar panels will be difficult in an economy built on cottage industry  NickB79   May-16-07 05:03 AM   #14 
  - Grupo Fenix established "cottage industry" PV module manufacture in Nicaragua years ago  jpak   May-16-07 11:06 AM   #30 
     - At first I thought this completely disproved what I had posted  NickB79   May-16-07 01:24 PM   #34 
        - Sorry for the late reply - yesterday's serve problems wouldn't let me post...  jpak   May-17-07 02:29 PM   #48 
  - Is it more efficient to use the sun, water and fertilizer to grow plants..  lumberjack_jeff   May-16-07 09:46 PM   #39 
 

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