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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 05:40 PM
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30. Lovins also said that the laws of thermodynamics don't apply to fuel cells
(Somewhere in his "20 things I've made up about hydrogen" paper.)

Excuse me while I look less than impressed.
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  -2006: A very Good Year for Solar and Wind Power - a Very Bad Year for Nuclear Power jpak  Mar-19-07 09:33 AM   #0 
  - No nay-saying from me. This  Rabbit of Caerbannog   Mar-19-07 10:18 AM   #1 
  - how is your solar rooftop working for you?  phantom power   Mar-19-07 10:20 AM   #2 
     - Very well, thank you.  Rabbit of Caerbannog   Mar-19-07 10:23 AM   #3 
     - So tell me more: What's it use? What's the wattage? How much did it cost?  phantom power   Mar-19-07 11:12 AM   #4 
        - Home power. Three kilowatts. Too much...  Rabbit of Caerbannog   Mar-19-07 01:17 PM   #12 
           - If I may, I'd like to focus for a moment on your phrase "too much."  phantom power   Mar-19-07 01:31 PM   #15 
              - the economics of PV is like anything else  Rabbit of Caerbannog   Mar-19-07 02:27 PM   #22 
     - About as well as my "green" nuke plant.  Zenlitened   Mar-19-07 11:23 AM   #5 
        - My local nuke plant works great for me.  phantom power   Mar-19-07 11:24 AM   #6 
           - Is there a permanent spent fuel repository in AZ???  jpak   Mar-19-07 11:27 AM   #7 
              - Does there need to be a permanent spent fuel repository in AZ?  phantom power   Mar-19-07 11:48 AM   #8 
                 - what do you do with fission products produced from reprocessing???  jpak   Mar-19-07 01:10 PM   #11 
                 - YOU are paying for storage of waste through your taxes. The cost of this little effort apparently  JohnWxy   Mar-19-07 01:32 PM   #16 
                    - I'll make you a deal.  phantom power   Mar-19-07 01:40 PM   #18 
                       - That's what Amory Lovins advocated decades ago (before there was global warming)  jpak   Mar-19-07 01:45 PM   #19 
                       - Lovins also said that the laws of thermodynamics don't apply to fuel cells  Dead_Parrot   Mar-19-07 05:40 PM   #30 
                       - LOL. You are visiting from another planet, no doubt.  JohnWxy   Mar-19-07 07:30 PM   #32 
                       - here's some more :  JohnWxy   Mar-19-07 07:47 PM   #33 
  - A good year for solar and wind, but a GREAT year for coal.  GliderGuider   Mar-19-07 11:49 AM   #9 
  - There is no technical reason why renewables and energy efficiency *cannot* replace coal  jpak   Mar-19-07 01:06 PM   #10 
     - In that case you'd better stop worrying about nukes.  GliderGuider   Mar-19-07 01:21 PM   #13 
     - I don't worry about nukes - they will go slowly away  jpak   Mar-19-07 01:27 PM   #14 
     - Sorry, I edited my post above to add a bit more analysis just as you were posting.  GliderGuider   Mar-19-07 01:37 PM   #17 
        - and your solution is?????  jpak   Mar-19-07 01:46 PM   #20 
           - I don't have a solution. I have a set of expectations.  GliderGuider   Mar-19-07 02:30 PM   #23 
              - I have expectations too  jpak   Mar-19-07 05:32 PM   #29 
     - The EU's goals for renewable energy and electricity are 20% by 2020  jpak   Mar-19-07 02:08 PM   #21 
        - No, the problem is economics.  GliderGuider   Mar-19-07 02:46 PM   #24 
           - Subsidies and carbon taxes can take care of that  jpak   Mar-19-07 04:27 PM   #25 
              - Whether or not "solar works" isn't the issue  GliderGuider   Mar-19-07 05:11 PM   #27 
     - So, why is Denmark stuck on 20%?  Dead_Parrot   Mar-19-07 05:43 PM   #31 
        - Denmark will produce 50% of their electricity from wind power by 2025...  jpak   Mar-20-07 12:07 PM   #41 
           - I think you're confusing "capacity" and "Power". Again.  Dead_Parrot   Mar-20-07 06:40 PM   #48 
  - why....  july302001   Mar-19-07 04:56 PM   #26 
  - I don't  jpak   Mar-19-07 05:13 PM   #28 
  - reply  july302001   Mar-19-07 08:12 PM   #34 
     - I hardly ever see july302001 post about problems with coal  bananas   Mar-19-07 10:35 PM   #36 
     - Err, Bananas...  Dead_Parrot   Mar-19-07 10:45 PM   #37 
        - 55 posts? nt  bananas   Mar-19-07 10:50 PM   #38 
           - and the percent relating to coal is... ?  Dead_Parrot   Mar-19-07 11:20 PM   #39 
     - Nonsense - go back to the recent archives and show us all those "antinuclear" jpak posts  jpak   Mar-20-07 11:46 AM   #40 
  - I never said I wanted to ban nuclear, either  bananas   Mar-19-07 10:29 PM   #35 
  - From the barrel of misleading statistics...  hunter   Mar-20-07 01:23 PM   #42 
     - at (minus) -746 MW, nuclear power did not re/dis-place any coal-fired capacity in 2006  jpak   Mar-20-07 01:29 PM   #43 
        - From your own source...  hunter   Mar-20-07 02:23 PM   #44 
           - Since you asked about coal - here's some more "misleading" data  jpak   Mar-20-07 02:53 PM   #45 
              - So why'd you switch from global to U.S. statistics...  hunter   Mar-20-07 04:02 PM   #46 
                 - Because the 2006 numbers for global coal/gas/oil plants haven't come out yet  jpak   Mar-20-07 04:06 PM   #47 
                    - But you said it was a bad year for nuclear power...  hunter   Mar-21-07 01:09 PM   #49 
                       - Those figures were for operational grid-connected wind, PV and nuclear facilities  jpak   Mar-21-07 01:58 PM   #50 
                          - I'll be happy and dance because the tiger who's got my throat hasn't got my feet!  hunter   Mar-21-07 05:48 PM   #51 
 

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