RestoreGore
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Wed Mar-07-07 07:31 PM
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| 26. How many die from contracting cancer every year living near one? |
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And people have and do get cancer from living near these plants. What was Chernobyl? Three Mile Island? What is happening at Indian Point? You bet it is dangerous, just as climate change exacerbated by fossil fuel use is, which is why I speak out against them too. Why would you assume that anyone posting this article would not agree with that? And of course, don't mention that our nuclear plants already on line are not up to snuff regarding safety regulations in many locations in this country.
NUKES in any form in my view are dangerous, and the waste they produce will kill this planet. And on what do you base your number of 450 people dying? Is that worldwide? Because I actually think it would be more when you take into account the occupation of Iraq. And more will die because nuclear power is abused as well as we are seeing with Iran, North Korea, and other countries including our own.
The point of posting this OP was not to have a "competition" between nuclear and fossil fuels, but to illustrate that those who are constantly hawking nuclear energy as some sort of savior are misleading people. Perhaps you should ask those who fought so hard to put the bosh on Divine Strake if they think nuclear energy is safe. I can't fathom how anyone can defend what has the potential to render this planet totally unliveable. I don't support the use of fossil fuels leading to what we are now seeing in this world, and I don't support the use of nuclear power.
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| -How Green Is Nuclear Power? |
RestoreGore |
Mar-07-07 12:08 PM |
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proliferation is the show stopper |
greenman3610 |
Mar-07-07 12:16 PM |
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Note: ChimpCo is not going to bomb Iranian wind farms or rooftop solar hot water heaters |
jpak |
Mar-07-07 12:22 PM |
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I wouldn't bet on it... |
Tin Man |
Mar-07-07 07:30 PM |
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They are that, and they want the water too n/t |
RestoreGore |
Mar-07-07 07:44 PM |
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Thank you for these links |
RestoreGore |
Mar-07-07 12:50 PM |
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Lovins irritates the hell out of me. |
hunter |
Mar-07-07 04:01 PM |
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Let's ask Ms Chernobyl her opinion. . . |
Journeyman |
Mar-07-07 12:37 PM |
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This is an interesting twist |
imfreaky |
Mar-07-07 12:52 PM |
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Oh well, I think he is wrong |
RestoreGore |
Mar-07-07 12:57 PM |
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He also believes that global warming is a Good Thing |
jpak |
Mar-07-07 01:40 PM |
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Ah but Moore is an asshole. |
NNadir |
Mar-07-07 01:45 PM |
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It is nuclear weapons that are murder n/t |
RestoreGore |
Mar-07-07 02:01 PM |
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As soon as you can answer how we can guarantee, for at least 30,000 years, |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-07-07 07:30 PM |
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How many people are going to fall off towers and roofs in 30,000 years... |
hunter |
Mar-07-07 09:14 PM |
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Until you can guarantee that dangerous fossil fuel waste won't be toxic for eternity, |
NNadir |
Mar-07-07 10:03 PM |
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I seriously doubt you could that you can conceive of anything beyond my |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-08-07 01:31 AM |
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Lovins answers Patrick Moore |
greenman3610 |
Mar-07-07 02:44 PM |
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That's funny. |
hunter |
Mar-07-07 04:10 PM |
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This unkillable "all energy sources require CO2" meme is fucking ridiculous. |
phantom power |
Mar-07-07 01:20 PM |
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Ah, but we don't care about "all energy sources" |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-07-07 01:58 PM |
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What other source leaves nuclear waste? n/t |
RestoreGore |
Mar-07-07 02:04 PM |
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You missed the point |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-07-07 02:09 PM |
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How many die from contracting cancer every year living near one? |
RestoreGore |
Mar-07-07 07:31 PM |
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CO2 is killing this planet, not nuclear fuel. |
phantom power |
Mar-07-07 07:33 PM |
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And nuclear power produces it as well |
RestoreGore |
Mar-07-07 07:38 PM |
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The fact you consider that a valid argument doesn't up your credibility. |
phantom power |
Mar-07-07 07:42 PM |
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Dr. Helen Caldicott is not credible? |
RestoreGore |
Mar-07-07 07:47 PM |
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It's not about whether nuclear materials can kill people or make them sick. |
phantom power |
Mar-07-07 08:03 PM |
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ONE killed by either is too many |
RestoreGore |
Mar-07-07 10:40 PM |
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I engage in these dialogues because silence = consent. |
phantom power |
Mar-08-07 12:04 PM |
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No, Dr. Caldicott is not credible. |
hunter |
Mar-07-07 09:16 PM |
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Why should anyone as biased as you be considered credible then? |
RestoreGore |
Mar-07-07 10:39 PM |
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She's a relic. Aren't we all? |
hunter |
Mar-08-07 01:58 AM |
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Err, are we still talking about nuclear waste? |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-07-07 10:59 PM |
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Add up the body count from spent fuel in 2600 AD and again in 240,000 AD |
jpak |
Mar-07-07 02:18 PM |
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Believe it or not, Scientific American published a study on that. |
phantom power |
Mar-07-07 02:41 PM |
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Dammit, I just paid 8 bucks for the wrong issue. |
phantom power |
Mar-07-07 03:25 PM |
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Sorry, there is nobody available to take your call |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-07-07 03:39 PM |
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Pardon me, but I am highly amused by your misfortune... |
jpak |
Mar-07-07 03:46 PM |
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Tell you what... |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-07-07 02:56 PM |
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Thank you for speaking my mind :^) . nt |
eppur_se_muova |
Mar-07-07 02:10 PM |
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Agreed. |
Nihil |
Mar-08-07 08:15 AM |
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The bottom line to the "nuclear energy debate" is simple. It is the only viable source |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-07-07 07:40 PM |
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And that's why Bush and Cheney push it so much |
RestoreGore |
Mar-07-07 07:42 PM |
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India and China and other important nations don't care what we think. |
hunter |
Mar-08-07 12:38 PM |
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Very True...... |
IChing |
Mar-07-07 10:12 PM |
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Yeah, 'cos all 6,500,000,000 people can afford to live off-grid |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-07-07 11:05 PM |
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The nations where the majority of that 6.5 billion live do not have, nor can they afford to build |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-08-07 01:42 AM |
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What the fuck has profit got to do with it? |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-08-07 02:20 AM |
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I don't give a flying fuck about raving morons and their offensive nonsense. |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-08-07 02:33 AM |
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And that's your response, is it? |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-08-07 02:48 AM |
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As I said, until you want to have an actual discussion, you have nothing to add but noise. n/t |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-08-07 03:09 AM |
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Yeah, Whatever |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-08-07 03:25 AM |
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Answer this, which is more possible for the nation of Haiti, the poorest |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-08-07 04:08 AM |
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Hmmm, I'm trying to decide which is the bigger Haitian fantasy... |
hunter |
Mar-08-07 01:39 PM |
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$18 doesn't even buy 5W |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-08-07 02:53 PM |
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Apparently, you are just not up to date on the development of |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-08-07 03:01 PM |
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We are up to date on all the latest uncommercialized prototypes. |
phantom power |
Mar-08-07 03:16 PM |
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Those thin-film PV plants are in operation or being constructed today |
jpak |
Mar-08-07 03:39 PM |
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Things are moving rapidly and commercialization is well under way. |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-08-07 03:47 PM |
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I'm not going by press releases... |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-08-07 03:25 PM |
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Unisolar Ovonic is real, Nanosolar is real, Sharp is real, Honda is real, ErSol is real, etc.... |
jpak |
Mar-08-07 03:57 PM |
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And US$3.64/W is real, too. |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-08-07 04:08 PM |
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No - dissed the Dreaded Thin-film PV Press Releases |
jpak |
Mar-08-07 04:11 PM |
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Did you? where? nt |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-08-07 04:19 PM |
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Your last sentence is absolutely correct and the reasons for that are |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-08-07 04:08 PM |
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Not being an energy consortium... |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-08-07 04:36 PM |
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OK, you're obviously not interested in learning nearly as much as you're |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-08-07 05:08 PM |
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Really? |
Dead_Parrot |
Mar-08-07 06:36 PM |
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How much did your solar installation cost? |
hunter |
Mar-08-07 06:44 PM |
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What a bizarre reply. You haven't addressed one of the issues brought up, |
greyhound1966 |
Mar-09-07 02:55 AM |
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Your issues have been addressed in this thread. |
hunter |
Mar-09-07 01:11 PM |
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There is a nugget of truth in what you say ... |
Nihil |
Mar-09-07 05:39 AM |
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economic forces |
BrightKnight |
Mar-09-07 10:06 PM |
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I totally agree with you about "economic forces" ... |
Nihil |
Mar-12-07 07:28 AM |
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1,780 lbs of coal * 36,000,000 pellets in the reactors of 1 plant... |
BrightKnight |
Mar-07-07 08:53 PM |
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