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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 04:28 PM
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9. The OP was referring to CO2 from conventional power plants ...
Edited on Tue Feb-27-07 04:34 PM by eppur_se_muova
which mostly burn coal. Underground/underwater "sequestration" (really, sweeping it under the rug) would not even be considered except that fossil fuels are being burned.

What you seem to be suggesting is switching to a process in which the fuel comes from wood or other biomass. That wasn't clear from your earlier post. (Mostly because I read too fast. :P )

If you're going to burn only biomass, then that's carbon neutral already, no further work needed there. No need to bring charcoal into the discussion on that basis -- it's an added extra, if you want to go that way, but not essential to carbon neutrality. I think what you're aiming for is converting some CO2 back to carbon in the soil -- justifiably, that could be referred to as biomass, or TRUE sequestration. So your goal is for a carbon-NEGATIVE system, if I read it correctly.

The OP (and, I thought, the response) was referring to what can be done with CO2 from disinterred fossil carbon. The only suggestion the Industrial Establishment can come up with is pumping it underground or underwater. It sounded like you were suggesting converting this fossil-produced CO2 *directly* to carbon, which I was saying is not at all practical.

The idea of charcoaling biomass to make both energy and charcoal might work, but I suspect the EROI would be poor. It would be kind of like firing coal to make coke, and then not using the coke for fuel. I can see a traditional community doing this to keep its agriculture sustainable, but not large-scale industrial interests. (This is not the same as saying it's not a good idea, just saying it's unlikely to happen in our world as it is.)

on edit: Didn't notice posts were from two different DU'ers. Apologies.
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  -What's the latest thinking on carbon sequestration? muriel_volestrangler  Feb-27-07 07:52 AM   #0 
  - Saw a dump on the idea saying it caused underground chemical changes that  papau   Feb-27-07 08:09 AM   #1 
  - I agree burning coal isn't an attractive option  muriel_volestrangler   Feb-28-07 09:55 AM   #15 
  - There are a lot of the proper formations out there  XemaSab   Feb-27-07 10:00 AM   #2 
  - what are the regulatory hurdles for a solar thermal plant?  phantom power   Feb-27-07 12:15 PM   #5 
  - Basically the same as any other power plant  XemaSab   Feb-27-07 10:49 PM   #14 
     - so, in fact, siting *any* power plant is a regulatory hell-hole...  phantom power   Feb-28-07 11:10 AM   #17 
        - Pretty much, yeah  XemaSab   Feb-28-07 08:19 PM   #19 
  - The power plant has to be near condenser-water and be near the sequestration-well  TheBorealAvenger   Feb-28-07 12:49 PM   #18 
     - You could also use it for industry,  XemaSab   Feb-28-07 08:20 PM   #20 
        - The carbon dioxide market is nowhere near 27 billion tons.  NNadir   Feb-28-07 09:50 PM   #22 
        - A greenhouse, maybe  TheBorealAvenger   Mar-01-07 05:48 AM   #23 
           - I had the crazy idea  XemaSab   Mar-01-07 09:37 PM   #25 
              - There is a poster on DU who has posted about ponds of algae->biodiesel in the AZ sun  TheBorealAvenger   Mar-02-07 05:58 AM   #26 
  - here is a link to the DOE, if that would help  madokie   Feb-27-07 11:56 AM   #3 
  - Pumping it underground or under the sea is not valid sequestration  kestrel91316   Feb-27-07 12:04 PM   #4 
  - Converting CO2 back to C (charcoal) would consume a great deal of energy.  eppur_se_muova   Feb-27-07 02:44 PM   #7 
     - I don't understand where the coal comes from in your argument.  GliderGuider   Feb-27-07 03:10 PM   #8 
     - The OP was referring to CO2 from conventional power plants ...  eppur_se_muova   Feb-27-07 04:28 PM   #9 
     - I don't think it has much value on a large scale as CO2 sequestration,  kestrel91316   Feb-27-07 05:03 PM   #10 
        - Point taken.  eppur_se_muova   Feb-27-07 08:25 PM   #12 
           - I also don't think it's a process of converting CO2 back to charcoal directly.  kestrel91316   Feb-28-07 10:58 AM   #16 
  - I remain to be convinced  GliderGuider   Feb-27-07 12:17 PM   #6 
  - Far too radical to be supported by any significant people ...  Nihil   Feb-27-07 05:41 PM   #11 
  - Usually capped oil formations  XemaSab   Feb-28-07 08:22 PM   #21 
  - It's a PR scam along with "Clean Coal." Greenwashing the indefensible.  Porcupine   Feb-27-07 10:19 PM   #13 
  - "Clean Coal," according to my boss, is a coal plant  XemaSab   Mar-15-07 02:58 AM   #31 
  - I thought developing a pipeline system for CO2 to distribute it to  leftupnorth   Mar-01-07 09:22 AM   #24 
  - I read it hurts groundwater supplies, so I'm not too keen on it n/t  RestoreGore   Mar-02-07 08:42 AM   #27 
  - It's pumped into saline aquifers  XemaSab   Mar-15-07 03:00 AM   #32 
  - Uh, plant trees?  Pigwidgeon   Mar-02-07 08:51 AM   #28 
  - I laughed so hard when I read this. I am doing a presentation today on  efhmc   Mar-14-07 10:40 AM   #29 
  - As has already been said, Terra Preta  GliderGuider   Mar-14-07 12:48 PM   #30 
 

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