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Thu Feb-08-07 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #93 |
| 97. You assume that all your descendents will share your politics |
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How do you know that your 8 or 10 or 40 great great grandchildren won't be selfish assholes?
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| -Vegetarian Is the New Prius |
jpak |
Feb-08-07 12:24 PM |
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Yep. If you love Earth, you've got to at least cut-down on meat. n/t |
patrice |
Feb-08-07 12:35 PM |
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In some situations animal agriculture is more environmentally benign. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 12:54 PM |
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Especially if we grazed out native bison rather than cattle. |
kestrel91316 |
Feb-08-07 01:40 PM |
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Buffalo Commons |
TorchesAndPitchforks |
Feb-08-07 06:57 PM |
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I buy free-range |
dmesg |
Feb-08-07 02:44 PM |
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It would be nice if more people would consider giving up |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 12:43 PM |
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I agree |
OhioBlues |
Feb-08-07 12:47 PM |
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I don't. The human digestive system evolved to eat some meat. Like it or not, |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 01:02 PM |
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Well |
OhioBlues |
Feb-08-07 01:24 PM |
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Do you think black bears should give up eating critters and live on berries? |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 01:35 PM |
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Bears, unlike humans |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 01:42 PM |
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Non sequitor. We cook veggies also. And process them in many different ways. And it is possible |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 01:57 PM |
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Try it. |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 02:11 PM |
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I point out elsewhere your point is a nonsequitor. It is a question of human evolution, not how |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 02:18 PM |
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If it's a question of human evolution, then it's time to evolve, |
CrispyQGirl |
Feb-08-07 03:42 PM |
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Apples and oranges. We are talking grass fed animals here. And evolution is not a conscious |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 04:42 PM |
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Feb-08-07 02:34 PM |
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Funny, I tend to think that you meat-addicts |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 02:39 PM |
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sigh...anyone who's taken basic science or logic can ignore this post |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 02:55 PM |
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Thom... |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-08-07 03:09 PM |
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Just to show you how disciplined I am |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 03:17 PM |
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For your information I eat very little meat. And hardly any red meat. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 03:33 PM |
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There is no reason why we need to have a purpose for grassland. |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 03:38 PM |
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Again, get real. We need to feed 6.5 billion people today, 9 billion by 2050. We can't afford to |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 03:51 PM |
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So instead of finding solutions to population growth that's out of control |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 03:56 PM |
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The 6.5 billion are here NOW. The rate of population growth is slowing but |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 04:35 PM |
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To start, a massive PR and policy campaign |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 04:53 PM |
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It's actually quite valid. |
flvegan |
Feb-08-07 10:53 PM |
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meh |
jgraz |
Feb-09-07 06:01 AM |
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"Many times" isn't every time. |
flvegan |
Feb-09-07 08:26 PM |
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Feb-09-07 09:10 PM |
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Is that so? |
flvegan |
Feb-09-07 09:16 PM |
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Dude, I "get" a lot more than you could ever hope to |
jgraz |
Feb-09-07 09:32 PM |
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Remind me of that |
flvegan |
Feb-09-07 11:11 PM |
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I just had some raw sushi yesterday |
NickB79 |
Feb-08-07 02:08 PM |
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Blame it on Homo erectus and his modernizing ways. There are also the social aspects of meat |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 02:37 PM |
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Gee, and I thought it was the other way around. |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 02:41 PM |
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You have it backwards. Cultivation of the land produced more food per capita. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 03:02 PM |
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I know some raw diet people, including carnivores |
dmesg |
Feb-08-07 02:46 PM |
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Re Grasslands: Hemp is a "whole food" protein. n/t |
patrice |
Feb-08-07 02:08 PM |
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If that's true, |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 01:41 PM |
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I answered that point above. We cook veggies also and eat them with utensils. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 02:02 PM |
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But we CAN eat vegetables without cooking/tools |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 02:09 PM |
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We CAN eat meat also. We choose not to. We CAN eat all our food without utensils. We choose not |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 02:13 PM |
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Funny thing about "choose" |
flvegan |
Feb-08-07 04:21 PM |
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Grass raised beef has a lower "carbon footprint" per pound of protein than |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 04:39 PM |
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Hard to swallow. |
flvegan |
Feb-08-07 04:44 PM |
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That's ridiculous. |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 04:55 PM |
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What part of "grass raised" don't you understand. Grass raised means no soybeans, no |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 09:29 PM |
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Where's that study? |
flvegan |
Feb-08-07 10:23 PM |
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I skip responding to people who want to play games with me. You want me to respond to you? Lay off |
yellowcanine |
Feb-09-07 08:19 AM |
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In other words |
flvegan |
Feb-09-07 08:22 PM |
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Sadly, that's not entirely true |
jgraz |
Feb-09-07 06:09 AM |
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Well yes, it has to be truly grass fed. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-09-07 08:16 AM |
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50k years of fire has caused our digestive systems to adapt to cooked foods |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 02:13 PM |
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Good point about the legumes. Beans have a proteinase inhibitor which is only destroyed by heat. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 02:20 PM |
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Turns out that in the wild, animal flesh is a lot safer than most plants |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 02:32 PM |
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Right, blame vegetarians |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 02:46 PM |
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The dangers of hunting were reduced (and the success rate increased) by cooperation. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 02:50 PM |
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Nice straw man argument. |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 02:45 PM |
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I'm sorry -- did Mr. Eat-a-Cow-with-Your-Bare-Hands just accuse me of using a straw man?? |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 02:56 PM |
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Eskimos. |
XemaSab |
Feb-09-07 04:53 PM |
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There you go with the facts again |
jgraz |
Feb-09-07 09:14 PM |
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There's plenty of evidence that we're healthier when we eat little to no animal products. |
LeftyMom |
Feb-08-07 03:02 PM |
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I don't think anyone is arguing with that |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 03:08 PM |
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Actually, there are studies that control for that. |
LeftyMom |
Feb-08-07 03:20 PM |
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The evolutionary problem with your argument is that you assume that because |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 03:47 PM |
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But meat eating reduces our capability to survive and reproduce in the short term as well |
LeftyMom |
Feb-08-07 04:06 PM |
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Well, now that you mention it, reproduction is a much bigger problem than meat eating |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 04:33 PM |
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But if all the people who reduce thier impact don't reproduce, |
LeftyMom |
Feb-08-07 04:41 PM |
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You assume that all your descendents will share your politics |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 04:44 PM |
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Because I know my son. |
LeftyMom |
Feb-08-07 04:50 PM |
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Political beliefs are not a heritable trait. This is silly. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 04:49 PM |
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No, but we pass them on via nurture. |
LeftyMom |
Feb-08-07 04:51 PM |
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Good luck with that. It didn't work for my parents. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 05:05 PM |
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WELL THEN, SAINTS BE PRAISED... |
flvegan |
Feb-08-07 10:25 PM |
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But culture is! |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 04:57 PM |
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In your dreams. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 05:04 PM |
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Look up "culture" |
flvegan |
Feb-08-07 10:24 PM |
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You need to read my post again, I took into account raising the young. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 04:47 PM |
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Exactly. Vegan Fundamentalist propaganda annoys me. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-08-07 04:27 PM |
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As opposed to the meat-addict fundies? |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 04:30 PM |
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Then don't term it as such. |
flvegan |
Feb-08-07 10:52 PM |
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WOW... |
druidity33 |
Feb-08-07 12:52 PM |
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What about the huge expanses of land that are natural grasslands - the prairies |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 01:10 PM |
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How long do they remain grasslands once |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 01:43 PM |
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Factory farms don't graze animals. They confine them and feed them grain. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 02:10 PM |
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not to mention |
druidity33 |
Feb-08-07 04:42 PM |
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100% vegetarianism may be a hard sell (at least for people like me) |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 12:54 PM |
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It could also be more local, which would be helpful. n/t |
patrice |
Feb-08-07 01:04 PM |
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yep, forgot that one |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 01:10 PM |
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I cannot agree at all. |
truedelphi |
Feb-08-07 12:54 PM |
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See my post above. I make a similar point. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 12:56 PM |
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"a great argument for cutting the human race down to 500 million people" |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 01:00 PM |
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If you outlaw procreation than only criminals will procreate.....I can hear it already. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 01:04 PM |
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We didn't outlaw smoking, just made it very unpleasant to smoke |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 01:12 PM |
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Ok then, only rich people could procreate. Is that any better than only criminals? |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 01:13 PM |
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I'm only advocating moral persuasion |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 01:50 PM |
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I am all for Planned Parenthood. Just not mandatory "One Child" policies as China tried. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 01:59 PM |
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Let's eat babies. |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-08-07 04:50 PM |
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Too many toxins |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 05:30 PM |
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That seems to be a particularly Modest Proposal ... |
Nihil |
Feb-09-07 08:46 AM |
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I like what Texas has done as a first step away from overgrazing issues. |
Dover |
Feb-08-07 01:47 PM |
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"Cows with their meadow" |
flvegan |
Feb-08-07 04:25 PM |
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Of course, if you really care for animals and the environment |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 12:56 PM |
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My footprint and that of my kid still beats yours |
LeftyMom |
Feb-08-07 02:59 PM |
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It would't necessarily be so if the meat were pasture raised. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 04:20 PM |
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It's perfectly unethical to ask another creature to suffer and die for your wants. |
LeftyMom |
Feb-08-07 04:26 PM |
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When pleasure is taken at the expense or suffering of another being |
flvegan |
Feb-08-07 04:30 PM |
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There you are. |
LeftyMom |
Feb-08-07 04:42 PM |
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I hear bells every time someone invokes the stupidity |
flvegan |
Feb-08-07 05:20 PM |
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But they're freakin' emourmous. I keep cutting my lip on 'em |
LeftyMom |
Feb-08-07 06:17 PM |
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Ever accidentally bite your tongue? |
flvegan |
Feb-08-07 10:55 PM |
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Presumably the Serengeti is littered with severed lion tongues, then. nt |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-09-07 02:23 AM |
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Or lions know better. |
flvegan |
Feb-09-07 08:42 PM |
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Or possibly - just possibly... |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-10-07 12:13 AM |
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You have no idea what my footprint is |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 04:40 PM |
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Zero, I'd hope. |
LeftyMom |
Feb-08-07 04:47 PM |
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You have hope, I have certainty |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 05:33 PM |
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At this point, what would we do with them all? |
NoMoreMyths |
Feb-08-07 01:02 PM |
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? |
patrice |
Feb-08-07 01:08 PM |
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Breed them for what then? |
NoMoreMyths |
Feb-08-07 01:36 PM |
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The point would be that the market would get smaller, so breeding |
patrice |
Feb-08-07 01:53 PM |
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How would the market get smaller? |
NoMoreMyths |
Feb-08-07 03:44 PM |
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If we didn't constantly breed animals in vast numbers for |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 01:48 PM |
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Absolutely agree |
NoMoreMyths |
Feb-08-07 01:55 PM |
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Get real. Cultivated plants are dependent on us also. We have too many people to go back to |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 02:28 PM |
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And how will we feed all those people |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 02:46 PM |
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sustainable grass fed animal production and sustainable crop production. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 05:00 PM |
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Really? |
ThomCat |
Feb-08-07 05:33 PM |
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You are really reaching now. And you are not a serious person. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 07:27 PM |
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Great response!!!! |
flvegan |
Feb-09-07 09:20 PM |
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Locally raised animals |
YankeyMCC |
Feb-08-07 01:17 PM |
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Yep. Think grassfed beef and pastured poultry, rabbits, pigs, etc. |
yellowcanine |
Feb-08-07 01:37 PM |
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It helps that grassfed organic beef actually tastes better and is healthier. |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 01:54 PM |
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Local, organic, Agriculture squesters carbon. Links |
Porcupine |
Feb-08-07 02:36 PM |
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Cool -- thanks for this info |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 03:00 PM |
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Vegetarian |
12string |
Feb-08-07 01:49 PM |
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Welcome to DU |
jgraz |
Feb-08-07 01:56 PM |
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Bumper sticker posts |
12string |
Feb-15-07 08:19 PM |
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I love meat, and I'm going to miss it. |
phantom power |
Feb-08-07 01:57 PM |
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Meat is the new Nuclear Power |
jpak |
Feb-08-07 02:43 PM |
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No worries about the waste, though |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-08-07 03:15 PM |
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it would be the new H2, wouldn't it? |
phantom power |
Feb-08-07 04:58 PM |
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We can extract meat from seawater! nt |
bananas |
Feb-09-07 07:19 AM |
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It's been done. |
XemaSab |
Feb-09-07 05:03 PM |
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im having black bean enchiladas and steamed broccoli and tomato soup and |
meow mix |
Feb-08-07 08:24 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Feb-09-07 06:16 AM |
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I like meat |
CRF450 |
Feb-08-07 10:06 PM |
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I love it when DU gets new, exceptionally cool posters. |
flvegan |
Feb-08-07 10:26 PM |
#125 |
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Thank you! |
CRF450 |
Feb-08-07 10:49 PM |
#126 |
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Good thing you're posting on a political board then |
jgraz |
Feb-09-07 06:13 AM |
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Kathy Freston is the new Anna Nicole Smith |
Pigwidgeon |
Feb-09-07 07:23 PM |
#141 |
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