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| -Water Scarcity And Biofuel |
RestoreGore |
Oct-20-06 07:43 PM |
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Ethanol has its place |
lumberjack_jeff |
Oct-20-06 07:50 PM |
#1 |
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It only has its place |
RestoreGore |
Oct-20-06 07:52 PM |
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new process |
madrchsod |
Oct-20-06 08:14 PM |
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And as this market grows... |
RestoreGore |
Oct-20-06 08:44 PM |
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To begin with... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-23-06 02:47 PM |
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YOU ARE HARDLY WORTH BOTHERING WITH. But for the record: |
JohnWxy |
Oct-23-06 03:03 PM |
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Really? With your insight into what is and is not a scientific journal |
NNadir |
Oct-23-06 03:52 PM |
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What is "fossil water"? |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-24-06 12:09 PM |
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Fossil water is aquifer water |
NickB79 |
Oct-24-06 02:03 PM |
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That's a facinating name for it. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-24-06 02:49 PM |
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I am agnostic in the sense that I do not offer an opinion on the methods. |
NNadir |
Oct-24-06 06:39 PM |
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Good to know where you've made up your mind. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 08:04 AM |
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Scientific inquiry is different than production capability. |
NNadir |
Oct-25-06 10:00 AM |
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I am using biodiesel today. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 01:26 PM |
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Good for you. |
NNadir |
Oct-25-06 02:00 PM |
#24 |
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Good for you! You are relevant... |
jpak |
Oct-30-06 09:03 AM |
#100 |
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And another thing. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 01:32 PM |
#19 |
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How many millions of years will global warming be with us? |
NickB79 |
Oct-25-06 02:11 PM |
#26 |
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So utilize plant based fuels... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 02:20 PM |
#28 |
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100,000 years |
jpak |
Oct-28-06 03:51 PM |
#91 |
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Your understanding of the nature of waste is apparently not clear. |
NNadir |
Oct-25-06 02:11 PM |
#27 |
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A half life is defined as... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 02:30 PM |
#29 |
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In fact I read the primary scientific literature, which is extensive. |
NNadir |
Oct-25-06 02:56 PM |
#34 |
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Hmmmm... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-26-06 07:49 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-26-06 08:25 AM |
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>In fact I read the primary scientific literature, which is extensive. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-26-06 08:08 AM |
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BTW... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 01:41 PM |
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>All over the country? On what scale? |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 01:48 PM |
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So how many millions of barrels of biodiesel is algae producing TODAY? |
NickB79 |
Oct-25-06 02:09 PM |
#25 |
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You sound very certain of this: |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 02:35 PM |
#31 |
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Please list one algae-to-biodiesel plant that is currently running |
NickB79 |
Oct-25-06 07:21 PM |
#39 |
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I didn't see how ... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-26-06 08:02 AM |
#45 |
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Oh, a bunch of "could" links. |
NNadir |
Oct-25-06 02:34 PM |
#30 |
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OK, you win... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 02:49 PM |
#32 |
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Again, you have a very high opinion of your private contribution. |
NNadir |
Oct-25-06 03:22 PM |
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Coal is killing us but we worry to the point of helplessness about nuclear |
hunter |
Oct-25-06 12:00 PM |
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You'd need more than a couple of hundred years. n/t |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 01:26 PM |
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Oooooh. I'm scared. |
hunter |
Oct-25-06 01:40 PM |
#20 |
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Please enjoy making fun of me.... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 02:54 PM |
#33 |
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I used to be a hard core anti-nuclear activist. |
hunter |
Oct-25-06 03:35 PM |
#37 |
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Pimentel is a retired professor of entomology. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-27-06 02:17 PM |
#74 |
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Firstly, I'm not a "he" |
RestoreGore |
Oct-25-06 07:39 PM |
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I'm sorry if I offended you by calling you "he". |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-26-06 08:16 AM |
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"well respected regarding his work."?? LOL. What have you been reading? try the journal Science: |
JohnWxy |
Oct-26-06 06:05 PM |
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I've had it. The ethanol lobby is as toxic as the coal lobby. |
hunter |
Oct-24-06 12:57 PM |
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Pimentel is a retired entomologist. That's the srudy of bugs. He's not |
JohnWxy |
Oct-25-06 04:57 PM |
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And JohnWxy is ??? |
hunter |
Oct-26-06 11:17 AM |
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"PRIVATE INDUSTRY WOULD JUST DO IT"?? LOL, ,, LOL |
JohnWxy |
Oct-26-06 01:13 PM |
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I think we should get rid of the Air Force too. |
hunter |
Oct-26-06 01:20 PM |
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Ouch! |
Nihil |
Oct-26-06 05:50 PM |
#63 |
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It's more like a mere trifle. A remark is only taken as seriously as its source. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-27-06 12:25 PM |
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DU is such a nasty wicked place. |
hunter |
Oct-27-06 02:15 PM |
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you flatter yourself. Never said wicked - I said childish, trivial and a sentiment does not |
JohnWxy |
Oct-28-06 02:38 PM |
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I said DU was wicked. |
hunter |
Oct-31-06 03:23 PM |
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My own bias is that I'm against industrialized agriculture. |
hunter |
Oct-24-06 12:41 PM |
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I hope those CAPS weren't meant for me |
RestoreGore |
Oct-25-06 01:56 PM |
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Cellulosic ethanol vs. synthetic fuels such as DME. |
hunter |
Oct-25-06 02:59 PM |
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I'm still learning about all of this |
RestoreGore |
Oct-25-06 07:46 PM |
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Of course you are entitled to your opinion. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-26-06 08:31 AM |
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Pimentel uses old data which is heavily weighted to Wet-mill process plants. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-26-06 04:32 PM |
#61 |
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More lies from JONNIE |
4dsc |
Oct-27-06 10:24 AM |
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Net energy balance (USDA) of 1.67, (MSU) 1.56. Name a more cost effective |
JohnWxy |
Oct-27-06 01:08 PM |
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1.67 is not CORRECT!! |
4dsc |
Oct-27-06 07:11 PM |
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Rapier didn't debunk anything. HOw's the "Big Lie" approach going. Having fun? |
JohnWxy |
Oct-28-06 03:33 PM |
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Boy are you lost!! |
4dsc |
Oct-28-06 08:03 PM |
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I really think you are sincere, I just think you aren't able to comprehend these concepts. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-31-06 03:05 PM |
#107 |
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you're so confused it hurts.. |
4dsc |
Nov-03-06 07:11 AM |
#115 |
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Is Fred Pearce Wrong As Well? |
RestoreGore |
Oct-25-06 07:51 PM |
#42 |
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Yes he is wrong |
hankthecrank |
Oct-26-06 02:53 AM |
#43 |
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No, he is right |
RestoreGore |
Oct-26-06 11:15 AM |
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bush lies about ethanol |
poopfuel |
Oct-26-06 12:06 PM |
#52 |
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Now compare ethanol crops to oil crops... |
hunter |
Oct-26-06 02:43 PM |
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Waste stream will be used |
hankthecrank |
Oct-26-06 03:35 PM |
#57 |
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you're the man, Hank |
poopfuel |
Oct-26-06 03:42 PM |
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how valuable? |
poopfuel |
Oct-26-06 03:40 PM |
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oops |
poopfuel |
Oct-30-06 08:48 AM |
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Very Funny did you read any of what I wrote |
hankthecrank |
Oct-26-06 03:05 PM |
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LOL. You've got the wrong industry. GOP is owned by OIL and GAS , along with |
JohnWxy |
Oct-26-06 03:52 PM |
#60 |
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From Grist Magazine |
RestoreGore |
Oct-26-06 05:02 PM |
#62 |
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mr philpott needs to rechannel his energies |
poopfuel |
Oct-27-06 10:12 AM |
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This really is old news. But the article you linked to has a further link: |
JohnWxy |
Oct-27-06 12:46 PM |
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A multiplier of 4 would be interesting. A multiplier of 1.67 is not. |
hunter |
Oct-27-06 01:43 PM |
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LOL. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-28-06 03:28 PM |
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Export subsidies for Cotton: $4 billion per year. Brazil filed a complaint with |
JohnWxy |
Oct-27-06 01:48 PM |
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As ethanol production increases, the value of the waste stream decreases. |
hunter |
Oct-27-06 03:04 PM |
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Dehydrate? waste stream? protein is hardly a waste biproduct . It's SOLD to |
JohnWxy |
Oct-28-06 03:53 PM |
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At some point there is more than you can use as a "supplement." |
hunter |
Oct-30-06 11:54 AM |
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"But maybe you can simply plough it back into the ground." |
poopfuel |
Oct-30-06 12:31 PM |
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even if the amount of Dried distillers Grain exceeded cattle producers demand |
JohnWxy |
Oct-31-06 02:52 PM |
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Well, that and a gallon of ethanol to dehydrate it... |
hunter |
Oct-31-06 03:18 PM |
#108 |
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Regarding your reading list. Have you read Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth"?. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-27-06 12:57 PM |
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Really? 590 scientific papers makes "intellectual light weight?" |
NNadir |
Oct-27-06 02:58 PM |
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The study of bugs |
hankthecrank |
Oct-27-06 03:30 PM |
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Don't mess with Entomologists |
hunter |
Oct-27-06 04:19 PM |
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Post #79 was intended as a response to this post. |
NNadir |
Oct-27-06 05:48 PM |
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He was studying gasohol in 1979, in the first Department of Energy. |
NNadir |
Oct-27-06 05:26 PM |
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I've read what other people in science have said about his work |
hankthecrank |
Oct-27-06 06:45 PM |
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If you could grow crops with biodiesel and ethanol, I submit... |
NNadir |
Oct-27-06 08:34 PM |
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I speak because I want to how's that for you Okay |
hankthecrank |
Oct-27-06 08:53 PM |
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You have a tractor and use biodiesel and ethanol. Why that's fabulous! |
NNadir |
Oct-28-06 08:48 AM |
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. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-30-06 02:57 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-30-06 03:51 PM |
#104 |
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Legitimate studies, actual studies have been done by people who |
JohnWxy |
Oct-31-06 03:01 PM |
#106 |
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Legitimate spell checkers, actual grammar checkers, have been used |
NNadir |
Oct-31-06 05:25 PM |
#110 |
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Any comment on Dr. Wang's publication note about his errors? |
NNadir |
Nov-01-06 10:57 AM |
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my "intellectual lightweights" comment was referring RestoreGore.'types'. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-28-06 03:45 PM |
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My response is that you can read his resume. |
NNadir |
Oct-28-06 09:05 PM |
#95 |
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CELLULOSIC ethanol |
RestoreGore |
Oct-28-06 09:54 AM |
#86 |
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I think Gore has thougth this through pretty thoroughly. That' why I mentioned him. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-28-06 03:55 PM |
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There is another reason to be cautious about biofuels. |
conning |
Oct-29-06 10:10 AM |
#96 |
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And now, for a moment of rational, Peer-Reviewed™ discourse |
Pigwidgeon |
Oct-30-06 01:43 AM |
#97 |
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Laughter is |
conning |
Oct-30-06 05:05 AM |
#98 |
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I've just solved the energy crises! |
Dead_Parrot |
Oct-31-06 06:41 PM |
#111 |
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Nice one ... |
Nihil |
Nov-01-06 03:39 AM |
#112 |
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A mixture of cellulosic ethanol and deleted comments has a much higher EROEI. |
hunter |
Nov-01-06 11:54 AM |
#114 |
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