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Wed Oct-25-06 01:56 PM
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| 23. I hope those CAPS weren't meant for me |
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Edited on Wed Oct-25-06 02:01 PM by RestoreGore
Ethanol takes too much water to produce ( and that's NOT BS), and in this country, especially in areas where drought is now more prolonged, it will be much harder to balance the amount needed for sustinence with what will be needed for fuel. It is also the issue of WATER involved in the process that I am most concerned with, not any GRUDGE you may have with a scientist noted in my post. I am also more than entitled to my opinions here, and will not change my mind about this no matter what you call BS. When it comes to ethanol, cellulosic ethanol is a much better choice for the planet, which was what my post was about in relation to WATER SCARCITY.
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| -Water Scarcity And Biofuel |
RestoreGore |
Oct-20-06 07:43 PM |
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Ethanol has its place |
lumberjack_jeff |
Oct-20-06 07:50 PM |
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It only has its place |
RestoreGore |
Oct-20-06 07:52 PM |
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new process |
madrchsod |
Oct-20-06 08:14 PM |
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And as this market grows... |
RestoreGore |
Oct-20-06 08:44 PM |
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To begin with... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-23-06 02:47 PM |
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YOU ARE HARDLY WORTH BOTHERING WITH. But for the record: |
JohnWxy |
Oct-23-06 03:03 PM |
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Really? With your insight into what is and is not a scientific journal |
NNadir |
Oct-23-06 03:52 PM |
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What is "fossil water"? |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-24-06 12:09 PM |
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Fossil water is aquifer water |
NickB79 |
Oct-24-06 02:03 PM |
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That's a facinating name for it. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-24-06 02:49 PM |
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I am agnostic in the sense that I do not offer an opinion on the methods. |
NNadir |
Oct-24-06 06:39 PM |
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Good to know where you've made up your mind. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 08:04 AM |
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Scientific inquiry is different than production capability. |
NNadir |
Oct-25-06 10:00 AM |
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I am using biodiesel today. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 01:26 PM |
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Good for you. |
NNadir |
Oct-25-06 02:00 PM |
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Good for you! You are relevant... |
jpak |
Oct-30-06 09:03 AM |
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And another thing. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 01:32 PM |
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How many millions of years will global warming be with us? |
NickB79 |
Oct-25-06 02:11 PM |
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So utilize plant based fuels... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 02:20 PM |
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100,000 years |
jpak |
Oct-28-06 03:51 PM |
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Your understanding of the nature of waste is apparently not clear. |
NNadir |
Oct-25-06 02:11 PM |
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A half life is defined as... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 02:30 PM |
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In fact I read the primary scientific literature, which is extensive. |
NNadir |
Oct-25-06 02:56 PM |
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Hmmmm... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-26-06 07:49 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-26-06 08:25 AM |
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>In fact I read the primary scientific literature, which is extensive. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-26-06 08:08 AM |
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BTW... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 01:41 PM |
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>All over the country? On what scale? |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 01:48 PM |
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So how many millions of barrels of biodiesel is algae producing TODAY? |
NickB79 |
Oct-25-06 02:09 PM |
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You sound very certain of this: |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 02:35 PM |
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Please list one algae-to-biodiesel plant that is currently running |
NickB79 |
Oct-25-06 07:21 PM |
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I didn't see how ... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-26-06 08:02 AM |
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Oh, a bunch of "could" links. |
NNadir |
Oct-25-06 02:34 PM |
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OK, you win... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 02:49 PM |
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Again, you have a very high opinion of your private contribution. |
NNadir |
Oct-25-06 03:22 PM |
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Coal is killing us but we worry to the point of helplessness about nuclear |
hunter |
Oct-25-06 12:00 PM |
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You'd need more than a couple of hundred years. n/t |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 01:26 PM |
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Oooooh. I'm scared. |
hunter |
Oct-25-06 01:40 PM |
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Please enjoy making fun of me.... |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-25-06 02:54 PM |
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I used to be a hard core anti-nuclear activist. |
hunter |
Oct-25-06 03:35 PM |
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Pimentel is a retired professor of entomology. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-27-06 02:17 PM |
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Firstly, I'm not a "he" |
RestoreGore |
Oct-25-06 07:39 PM |
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I'm sorry if I offended you by calling you "he". |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-26-06 08:16 AM |
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"well respected regarding his work."?? LOL. What have you been reading? try the journal Science: |
JohnWxy |
Oct-26-06 06:05 PM |
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I've had it. The ethanol lobby is as toxic as the coal lobby. |
hunter |
Oct-24-06 12:57 PM |
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Pimentel is a retired entomologist. That's the srudy of bugs. He's not |
JohnWxy |
Oct-25-06 04:57 PM |
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And JohnWxy is ??? |
hunter |
Oct-26-06 11:17 AM |
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"PRIVATE INDUSTRY WOULD JUST DO IT"?? LOL, ,, LOL |
JohnWxy |
Oct-26-06 01:13 PM |
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I think we should get rid of the Air Force too. |
hunter |
Oct-26-06 01:20 PM |
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Ouch! |
Nihil |
Oct-26-06 05:50 PM |
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It's more like a mere trifle. A remark is only taken as seriously as its source. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-27-06 12:25 PM |
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DU is such a nasty wicked place. |
hunter |
Oct-27-06 02:15 PM |
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you flatter yourself. Never said wicked - I said childish, trivial and a sentiment does not |
JohnWxy |
Oct-28-06 02:38 PM |
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I said DU was wicked. |
hunter |
Oct-31-06 03:23 PM |
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My own bias is that I'm against industrialized agriculture. |
hunter |
Oct-24-06 12:41 PM |
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I hope those CAPS weren't meant for me |
RestoreGore |
Oct-25-06 01:56 PM |
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Cellulosic ethanol vs. synthetic fuels such as DME. |
hunter |
Oct-25-06 02:59 PM |
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I'm still learning about all of this |
RestoreGore |
Oct-25-06 07:46 PM |
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Of course you are entitled to your opinion. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-26-06 08:31 AM |
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Pimentel uses old data which is heavily weighted to Wet-mill process plants. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-26-06 04:32 PM |
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More lies from JONNIE |
4dsc |
Oct-27-06 10:24 AM |
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Net energy balance (USDA) of 1.67, (MSU) 1.56. Name a more cost effective |
JohnWxy |
Oct-27-06 01:08 PM |
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1.67 is not CORRECT!! |
4dsc |
Oct-27-06 07:11 PM |
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Rapier didn't debunk anything. HOw's the "Big Lie" approach going. Having fun? |
JohnWxy |
Oct-28-06 03:33 PM |
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Boy are you lost!! |
4dsc |
Oct-28-06 08:03 PM |
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I really think you are sincere, I just think you aren't able to comprehend these concepts. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-31-06 03:05 PM |
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you're so confused it hurts.. |
4dsc |
Nov-03-06 07:11 AM |
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Is Fred Pearce Wrong As Well? |
RestoreGore |
Oct-25-06 07:51 PM |
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Yes he is wrong |
hankthecrank |
Oct-26-06 02:53 AM |
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No, he is right |
RestoreGore |
Oct-26-06 11:15 AM |
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bush lies about ethanol |
poopfuel |
Oct-26-06 12:06 PM |
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Now compare ethanol crops to oil crops... |
hunter |
Oct-26-06 02:43 PM |
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Waste stream will be used |
hankthecrank |
Oct-26-06 03:35 PM |
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you're the man, Hank |
poopfuel |
Oct-26-06 03:42 PM |
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how valuable? |
poopfuel |
Oct-26-06 03:40 PM |
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oops |
poopfuel |
Oct-30-06 08:48 AM |
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Very Funny did you read any of what I wrote |
hankthecrank |
Oct-26-06 03:05 PM |
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LOL. You've got the wrong industry. GOP is owned by OIL and GAS , along with |
JohnWxy |
Oct-26-06 03:52 PM |
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From Grist Magazine |
RestoreGore |
Oct-26-06 05:02 PM |
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mr philpott needs to rechannel his energies |
poopfuel |
Oct-27-06 10:12 AM |
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This really is old news. But the article you linked to has a further link: |
JohnWxy |
Oct-27-06 12:46 PM |
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A multiplier of 4 would be interesting. A multiplier of 1.67 is not. |
hunter |
Oct-27-06 01:43 PM |
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LOL. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-28-06 03:28 PM |
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Export subsidies for Cotton: $4 billion per year. Brazil filed a complaint with |
JohnWxy |
Oct-27-06 01:48 PM |
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As ethanol production increases, the value of the waste stream decreases. |
hunter |
Oct-27-06 03:04 PM |
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Dehydrate? waste stream? protein is hardly a waste biproduct . It's SOLD to |
JohnWxy |
Oct-28-06 03:53 PM |
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At some point there is more than you can use as a "supplement." |
hunter |
Oct-30-06 11:54 AM |
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"But maybe you can simply plough it back into the ground." |
poopfuel |
Oct-30-06 12:31 PM |
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even if the amount of Dried distillers Grain exceeded cattle producers demand |
JohnWxy |
Oct-31-06 02:52 PM |
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Well, that and a gallon of ethanol to dehydrate it... |
hunter |
Oct-31-06 03:18 PM |
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Regarding your reading list. Have you read Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth"?. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-27-06 12:57 PM |
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Really? 590 scientific papers makes "intellectual light weight?" |
NNadir |
Oct-27-06 02:58 PM |
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The study of bugs |
hankthecrank |
Oct-27-06 03:30 PM |
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Don't mess with Entomologists |
hunter |
Oct-27-06 04:19 PM |
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Post #79 was intended as a response to this post. |
NNadir |
Oct-27-06 05:48 PM |
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He was studying gasohol in 1979, in the first Department of Energy. |
NNadir |
Oct-27-06 05:26 PM |
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I've read what other people in science have said about his work |
hankthecrank |
Oct-27-06 06:45 PM |
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If you could grow crops with biodiesel and ethanol, I submit... |
NNadir |
Oct-27-06 08:34 PM |
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I speak because I want to how's that for you Okay |
hankthecrank |
Oct-27-06 08:53 PM |
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You have a tractor and use biodiesel and ethanol. Why that's fabulous! |
NNadir |
Oct-28-06 08:48 AM |
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. |
Chemical Bill |
Oct-30-06 02:57 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Oct-30-06 03:51 PM |
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Legitimate studies, actual studies have been done by people who |
JohnWxy |
Oct-31-06 03:01 PM |
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Legitimate spell checkers, actual grammar checkers, have been used |
NNadir |
Oct-31-06 05:25 PM |
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Any comment on Dr. Wang's publication note about his errors? |
NNadir |
Nov-01-06 10:57 AM |
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my "intellectual lightweights" comment was referring RestoreGore.'types'. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-28-06 03:45 PM |
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My response is that you can read his resume. |
NNadir |
Oct-28-06 09:05 PM |
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CELLULOSIC ethanol |
RestoreGore |
Oct-28-06 09:54 AM |
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I think Gore has thougth this through pretty thoroughly. That' why I mentioned him. |
JohnWxy |
Oct-28-06 03:55 PM |
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There is another reason to be cautious about biofuels. |
conning |
Oct-29-06 10:10 AM |
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And now, for a moment of rational, Peer-Reviewed™ discourse |
Pigwidgeon |
Oct-30-06 01:43 AM |
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Laughter is |
conning |
Oct-30-06 05:05 AM |
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I've just solved the energy crises! |
Dead_Parrot |
Oct-31-06 06:41 PM |
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Nice one ... |
Nihil |
Nov-01-06 03:39 AM |
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A mixture of cellulosic ethanol and deleted comments has a much higher EROEI. |
hunter |
Nov-01-06 11:54 AM |
#114 |
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