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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:09 AM
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16. Energy sources DID run out - read your history
When wood was running out, Britain turned to coal. England was facing "Peak Wood" in the eighteenth century and had to turn to coal. Once coal became more valuable (despite its smoke and odors), it became worthwhile to dig it up. Scrapings became pits became mines.

Easter Island was stripped of all its fuel (wood) and the culture there completely collapsed.

Once oil was discovered and its superior qualities ascertained, coal was phased out. Coal was harder to get, didn't burn as clean and was not nearly as efficient.

And coal will run out. Our "250 years" of supply is good only at the current rate of consumption. So if we decide to switch back to coal, we will start consuming it at a higher and ever increasing rate. We have already mined much of the best-quality coal that is closest to the surface and easiest to get. What remains may require so much energy to mine that it would be pointless to do so.

Solar energy is great, but who is going to build the solar cells without using oil? Can you name one solar cell producing plant that supplies all of its own power?

The problem is much larger than most people realize. And most people are so enamored of our technology that they are essentially cargo-cultists.

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  - Renowned energy strategist sees extraordinary changes ahead 4dsc  May-15-06 06:36 AM   #0 
  - mindstates of fear  sweetheart   May-15-06 06:39 AM   #1 
  - Or reality check??  4dsc   May-15-06 06:50 AM   #2 
  - There is plenty of energy  sweetheart   May-15-06 07:10 AM   #3 
     - There is plenty of energy, but not the kind you can put to use  Ezlivin   May-15-06 07:31 AM   #7 
        - Aaahh, you want to keep the cheep transport  sweetheart   May-15-06 08:20 AM   #10 
           - If you "don't accept physical boundaries", then no one can help you  hatrack   May-15-06 08:42 AM   #12 
           - physicalist  sweetheart   May-15-06 08:48 AM   #13 
              - Energy sources DID run out - read your history  Ezlivin   May-15-06 09:09 AM   #16 
                 - that's why there is no more wood  sweetheart   May-15-06 06:47 PM   #20 
                 - We mourn your passing - and with it we now we are out of bullshit, too.  Ezlivin   May-16-06 07:21 AM   #25 
                 - Solar powered solar cell plant  Ready4Change   May-16-06 06:48 PM   #27 
           - Unlike Cheney, I do believe that the American way of life is negotiable  Ezlivin   May-15-06 08:54 AM   #14 
              - Economic downturns have a way a changing behaviors  depakid   May-15-06 07:29 PM   #21 
  - Malthus was right  Ezlivin   May-15-06 07:15 AM   #5 
  - We have the means to use an alternative to fossil fuels all we need  Chimichurri   May-15-06 07:10 AM   #4 
  - there is always shale oil, for the US  rfkrfk   May-15-06 07:30 AM   #6 
  - Shale oil (or tar sands) require too much energy inputs  Ezlivin   May-15-06 07:38 AM   #8 
  - coal, nuke, or fuel corn for heat  rfkrfk   May-15-06 07:43 AM   #9 
  - EROEI - Energy return on energy invested  Ezlivin   May-15-06 08:57 AM   #15 
  - Shale oil/tar sands = converting cheap gas to expensive synthetic oil  hatrack   May-15-06 08:39 AM   #11 
  - and chew up large swaths of the environment?  ramapo   May-15-06 10:34 AM   #17 
     - everything has a EROEI of less than one, if you include the feedstock  rfkrfk   May-15-06 11:07 AM   #18 
  - The Kunsterist prophets of doom here are getting annoying.  Odin2005   May-15-06 12:09 PM   #19 
     - Kunstler has his ... uses  Pigwidgeon   May-16-06 01:07 AM   #22 
     - Well said!  Nihil   May-16-06 03:23 AM   #23 
     - It's a message board, people are supposed to post what they think  TheBorealAvenger   May-16-06 06:49 AM   #24 
     - The Sophomoric Jingoism And Pedantism Are Also Getting Annoying  loindelrio   May-16-06 07:36 AM   #26 

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