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Mon May-22-06 10:11 AM
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| 60. so what, do you know what coal costs? |
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damn near nothing.
the heat for distilling can come from,
solar, co-gen heat, corn, wood-waste, etc
do you electricity in your life, if so , why ?
very bad EROEI, usually about 0.33
much worse for solar pv
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| - Grain-Derived Ethanol: The Emperor’s New Clothes |
4dsc |
May-07-06 04:28 PM |
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So what is the answer? |
liberal N proud |
May-07-06 04:36 PM |
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What if... |
brokensymmetry |
May-07-06 04:38 PM |
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If Ethanol is so bad why do they use it in Indy Racing? |
liberal N proud |
May-07-06 04:41 PM |
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You don't get it do you |
4dsc |
May-07-06 04:48 PM |
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do you also oppose electric power? |
rfkrfk |
May-08-06 06:23 AM |
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Oppose electricity? No...but consider... |
brokensymmetry |
May-08-06 08:10 PM |
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Yes. What if there isn't any solution? |
hunter |
May-07-06 07:57 PM |
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Nicely stated. |
brokensymmetry |
May-07-06 08:52 PM |
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Why? |
NNadir |
May-08-06 08:05 AM |
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Distributing cyanide to the population of the planet |
Pigwidgeon |
May-08-06 11:24 AM |
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The current international death "lottery" is not random. |
NNadir |
May-08-06 12:07 PM |
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That's the title I was trying to remember! |
phantom power |
May-10-06 09:35 AM |
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"No solution" does not mean everyone dies. |
hunter |
May-10-06 10:35 AM |
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Right now there isn't an asnwer |
4dsc |
May-07-06 04:50 PM |
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interesting...nt |
melnjones |
May-07-06 04:41 PM |
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Corn farming is rough on the environment |
4dsc |
May-07-06 04:58 PM |
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Drilling, transporting, and burning oil is much worse |
iconoclastNYC |
May-12-06 04:35 PM |
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So is making ethanol |
4dsc |
May-13-06 08:52 AM |
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This issue is the conversion thermodynamics |
Coastie for Truth |
May-07-06 05:07 PM |
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I thought the biggest downside to ethanol farming was erosion. |
Gregorian |
May-07-06 05:41 PM |
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First |
iconoclastNYC |
May-12-06 04:37 PM |
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If ethanol ever becomes a major |
Jayhawk Lib |
May-07-06 05:47 PM |
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Ethanol: |
nealmhughes |
May-07-06 06:29 PM |
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Well said! |
Vetinarii |
May-07-06 07:56 PM |
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Passing thru Midwest no fields planted |
hankthecrank |
May-07-06 08:14 PM |
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Good stuff. It counters some of the hate-Pimentel crap. |
Pigwidgeon |
May-08-06 11:55 AM |
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why is nobody discussing that oil is not renewable |
LSK |
May-08-06 12:55 PM |
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Ethanol is not a solution |
4dsc |
May-08-06 09:59 PM |
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so we should continue fattening our people with High Fructose Corn Syrup |
LSK |
May-09-06 12:39 AM |
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Corn grows back every year. But not in perpetuity |
JohnyCanuck |
May-11-06 10:42 AM |
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yes all true |
poopfuel |
May-11-06 11:29 AM |
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Where's Johnwyx??? |
4dsc |
May-10-06 04:58 AM |
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Yeah! Ethanol won't solve 100% of our energy problems, so we |
kestrel91316 |
May-10-06 11:15 AM |
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I won't |
4dsc |
May-11-06 08:48 AM |
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Mr. Rapier works for the oil companies |
poopfuel |
May-11-06 09:36 AM |
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Bad news... |
4dsc |
May-11-06 06:54 PM |
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Ad Hom is an Invalid Argument |
Robert Rapier |
May-21-06 10:38 AM |
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Mr. Rapier, again you show yourself having lots of time to blog |
poopfuel |
May-23-06 10:18 AM |
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There You Go Again |
Robert Rapier |
May-23-06 11:21 AM |
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Oh joy, poopfuel, I want to be a cane field worker in Brazil! |
hunter |
May-23-06 11:37 AM |
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I'd be interested to hear your position on solar, wind, geothermal, and |
leftupnorth |
May-11-06 02:13 PM |
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I don't want crops "grown where nothing else will grow." |
hunter |
May-11-06 03:38 PM |
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I'm not talking about "wild places" like yellowstone |
leftupnorth |
May-11-06 06:09 PM |
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Neither am I. |
hunter |
May-11-06 07:41 PM |
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ok fine |
leftupnorth |
May-11-06 08:24 PM |
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Yeah he thinks |
iconoclastNYC |
May-12-06 04:32 PM |
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That's sorta the attitude that got us in this mess... |
hunter |
May-15-06 01:03 AM |
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Sounds like that chocolate pudding in my fridge |
Dead_Parrot |
May-15-06 01:24 AM |
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solar, wind, geothermal, |
4dsc |
May-12-06 07:07 AM |
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If you are thinking of a centralized system |
iconoclastNYC |
May-12-06 04:34 PM |
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I am thinking about scale |
4dsc |
May-20-06 02:00 PM |
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yep |
leftupnorth |
May-20-06 03:43 PM |
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Energy Balance Calcs |
Robert Rapier |
May-21-06 10:44 AM |
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His exact words were |
leftupnorth |
May-21-06 11:18 AM |
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Then That's a Blantantly False Claim |
Robert Rapier |
May-21-06 11:35 AM |
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Here you go, as near as I can get to a transcript. |
leftupnorth |
May-21-06 11:58 AM |
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Another "Alternative Metric" |
Robert Rapier |
May-21-06 01:06 PM |
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you can claim all you want, but just like me |
leftupnorth |
May-22-06 05:10 AM |
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Some Facts |
Robert Rapier |
May-22-06 09:41 AM |
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Um, you should use appeals to facts judiciously. |
NNadir |
May-22-06 12:03 PM |
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An Example, Perhaps? |
Robert Rapier |
May-22-06 01:29 PM |
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I was kidding. I never use the sarcasm button. |
NNadir |
May-22-06 01:43 PM |
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Welcome to DU, Robert Rapier. |
hunter |
May-22-06 02:46 PM |
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Thank You |
Robert Rapier |
May-22-06 05:47 PM |
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Hmmmmmm |
leftupnorth |
May-22-06 04:04 PM |
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Please Do Not Misrepresent Me |
Robert Rapier |
May-22-06 05:44 PM |
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well, i guess you're right and i'm wrong |
leftupnorth |
May-22-06 07:04 PM |
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Probably |
Robert Rapier |
May-22-06 09:16 PM |
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no |
leftupnorth |
May-22-06 10:16 PM |
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We agree that conservation is #1 for next few yrs - but why do you not |
papau |
May-27-06 11:21 AM |
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That Would Be Great, But..... |
Robert Rapier |
May-27-06 11:31 AM |
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both of your points are basically true - but the situation is changing |
papau |
May-27-06 10:09 PM |
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Not Really |
Robert Rapier |
May-28-06 10:10 AM |
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We agree - now we need to get the Feds to do something. |
papau |
May-28-06 11:48 AM |
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the petroleum to ethanol energy gain is more than 10 to one... |
rfkrfk |
May-22-06 06:37 AM |
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But not the fossil fuel ratio |
Robert Rapier |
May-22-06 09:21 AM |
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so what, do you know what coal costs? |
rfkrfk |
May-22-06 10:11 AM |
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Yes, I do |
Robert Rapier |
May-22-06 11:16 AM |
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That's entirely the wrong way to look at it. |
hunter |
May-22-06 11:59 AM |
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It doesn't have to ELIMINATE it |
iconoclastNYC |
May-12-06 04:27 PM |
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Hmmm |
Nihil |
May-23-06 04:19 AM |
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Bump |
4dsc |
Jun-18-06 04:13 PM |
#82 |
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