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76. TINA = A famous Thatcher-ism
Wind is supplying over 20% of Denmark's electricity, and they're just now getting serious about off-shore turbines... AND the country isn't that gifted with wind resources.

And maybe nuclear isn't expanding because wind is cheaper. Nuclear fission will always be highly-concentrated power, and therefore a high potential liability. And no, legislating liability limitations specially for nuclear power is not what I consider "...operating commercially and competitively".

If insurers require astronomical premiums, then something is wrong with the business model.
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  -You compare, you decide jmcgowanjm  Jan-30-04 08:41 AM   #0 
  - We're in big trouble. Solar power is free. Wind power is free.  FloridaPat   Jan-30-04 08:50 AM   #1 
  - Legalize hemp!  Zhade   Feb-28-04 08:18 PM   #131 
  - Maybe is not good enough  mad_as_hell   Jan-30-04 10:07 AM   #2 
  - You can find all of Simmons' remarks from Uppsala here  jmcgowanjm   Jan-30-04 02:30 PM   #3 
  - Revealing Statements from a Bush Insider  jmcgowanjm   Jan-31-04 09:25 AM   #11 
  - And the ASPO Newsletter #38 February 2004 Kuwait  jmcgowanjm   Jan-30-04 02:33 PM   #4 
  - Think logically  SixShooter   Jan-30-04 06:25 PM   #5 
  - Wind and solar are stop-gap solutions at best  NickB79   Jan-31-04 12:07 AM   #6 
  - Nuclear...too cheap to meter  BeFree   Jan-31-04 01:23 AM   #7 
  - So we're screwed then?  NickB79   Jan-31-04 03:01 AM   #8 
  - Yeah, we're gonna be hurting  BeFree   Jan-31-04 02:48 PM   #13 
     - Actually, I hate nukes  NickB79   Feb-03-04 02:38 AM   #32 
     - The last I knew  grower   Feb-05-04 04:23 PM   #49 
  - You haven't been reading very much, have you?  NNadir   Jan-31-04 07:35 AM   #9 
  - there's going to be a lag time,NNadir. As DU's NuclearCzar  jmcgowanjm   Jan-31-04 09:37 AM   #12 
  - "Nuclear Czar?" How about DU Nuclear Educator? I'll take that title.  NNadir   Jan-31-04 03:14 PM   #15 
     - OK, you will correct me here. Can each nuke warhead be a powerplant?  jmcgowanjm   Jan-31-04 07:51 PM   #18 
     - I'm not sure I understand the question about the warhead.  NNadir   Jan-31-04 09:14 PM   #20 
        - thanx NNadir, what I needed. So warheads are not good enough  jmcgowanjm   Feb-01-04 09:58 AM   #25 
           - Nuclear power already produces 20% of our electricity.  NNadir   Feb-01-04 03:03 PM   #28 
              - If you significantly increase the U.S. share of nuclear power  cprise   Feb-10-04 06:20 PM   #60 
                 - There are 29 countries operating nuclear power plants, including Mexico.  NNadir   Feb-14-04 01:32 PM   #69 
                    - Nuke weapons are proliferating nonetheless  cprise   Feb-17-04 02:29 AM   #71 
                       - Really? How many new nuclear powers were there in the last 2 decades  NNadir   Feb-17-04 03:47 AM   #72 
                          - 'There Is No Alternative'  cprise   Feb-17-04 01:44 PM   #74 
                             - Well I would feel better about if these alledged alternatives  NNadir   Feb-17-04 02:42 PM   #75 
                                - TINA = A famous Thatcher-ism  cprise   Feb-17-04 10:26 PM   #76 
                                   - Wind is cheaper in some places, until you have to store the energy.  NNadir   Feb-19-04 04:17 AM   #84 
     - ok, since you've volunteered to be our nuclear educator  treepig   Feb-01-04 11:10 AM   #26 
        - The Candu Reactor  NNadir   Feb-01-04 02:48 PM   #27 
           - thank you muchly!!  treepig   Feb-02-04 09:57 AM   #29 
           - Your welcome.  NNadir   Feb-03-04 09:29 AM   #36 
              - recently, i've been saving interesting posts (like yours) to WORD files  treepig   Feb-04-04 07:15 AM   #42 
                 - Bernard L. Cohen  NNadir   Feb-08-04 01:30 PM   #51 
                    - so, when the yucca mountain repository is open  treepig   Feb-10-04 08:55 AM   #54 
                       - Actually, I'm kind of hoping Yucca Mountain doesn't open or if it does  NNadir   Feb-10-04 11:08 AM   #55 
                          - Pardon me, but having hot fuel rods sitting 1/2 mi from L. Erie is bad  SpikeTrees   Feb-12-04 12:48 PM   #65 
                          - This is a "could happen" argument as opposed to an "is happening" argument  NNadir   Feb-12-04 01:57 PM   #66 
                             - When are you coming to pick it up?  SpikeTrees   Feb-12-04 04:12 PM   #67 
                                - Someone will pick it up. What about the Mercury in my soil?  NNadir   Feb-13-04 07:59 AM   #68 
                                - French Public's Opposition to Nuclear Waste Repositories  Bdog   Feb-28-04 09:34 AM   #126 
                                - Finding a location for a dump is one of the biggest hurdles.  Bdog   Feb-28-04 09:47 AM   #127 
                          - Do you have any supporting data to back up your claims?  Bdog   Feb-28-04 09:49 AM   #128 
                             - The subject of nuclear transmutation has been exhaustively covered.  NNadir   Feb-29-04 01:55 PM   #133 
           - Ahead of the curve-3 articles here  jmcgowanjm   Feb-03-04 06:48 AM   #33 
              - I think we're going to have to spend many many many more billions  NNadir   Feb-03-04 09:22 AM   #35 
                 - but that's just it NNadir, Canda's balking on $11B  jmcgowanjm   Feb-04-04 07:31 AM   #44 
  - Been reading a little at a time, for a lot of years  BeFree   Jan-31-04 03:11 PM   #14 
     - Really. solar Energy is free? Too cheap to meter?  NNadir   Jan-31-04 03:38 PM   #16 
        - I've rethunk it plenty of times.  BeFree   Jan-31-04 04:17 PM   #17 
           - I'm sure you are impossible to convince of truth, sir.  NNadir   Jan-31-04 08:35 PM   #19 
              - Hey Nuke Czar  BeFree   Jan-31-04 09:15 PM   #21 
              - Hey BeFree  NNadir   Jan-31-04 11:07 PM   #22 
                 - See ya, nuke czar  BeFree   Jan-31-04 11:15 PM   #23 
                    - Bye BeFree  NNadir   Feb-01-04 08:19 AM   #24 
              - Solar and Wind are technologies that generate far more power  cprise   Feb-04-04 06:41 PM   #45 
                 - I support solar energy, but you're missing data here.  NNadir   Feb-04-04 08:16 PM   #46 
                    - The sun is on the menu  cprise   Feb-05-04 01:02 AM   #47 
                       - How is that people in Bangladesh can afford PV when people in the US  NNadir   Feb-06-04 11:12 PM   #50 
                          - Why should a home owner store solar power when there is no need to?  Bdog   Feb-27-04 10:08 AM   #119 
                             - I'm just guessing here, but could it involve burning coal at night?  NNadir   Feb-27-04 12:54 PM   #121 
                                - Your silly…Who says renew-ables have to replace fossil fuel 100%?  Bdog   Feb-27-04 02:51 PM   #122 
                                   - People in undeveloped rural areas often have zero electricity  cprise   Feb-27-04 03:38 PM   #123 
                                      - Yes, I agree.  Bdog   Feb-27-04 04:08 PM   #124 
  - Nuclear power does NOT address the problem of peak oil  happyslug   Feb-25-04 12:58 PM   #97 
  - Efficiency standards and conservation could help meet that 50% shortfall  SpikeTrees   Jan-31-04 08:58 AM   #10 
  - Exactly  BeFree   Feb-02-04 12:19 PM   #30 
     - Yes, this is a good way to ease into the crunch  NickB79   Feb-03-04 02:08 AM   #31 
        - Sooner or later  BeFree   Feb-03-04 09:18 AM   #34 
           - i'd be much obliged if you'd point me in the direction of free solar energ  treepig   Feb-03-04 09:35 AM   #37 
              - Let me know if it's delivered.  NNadir   Feb-03-04 10:04 AM   #38 
              - The source is free  BeFree   Feb-03-04 11:13 PM   #39 
                 - So you have these free solar converters/and storage systems available?  NNadir   Feb-04-04 07:12 AM   #41 
                 - Why should a home owner store solar power when there is no need to?  Bdog   Feb-27-04 10:49 AM   #120 
                 - there was a good thread on the costs of installing a solar energy  treepig   Feb-04-04 07:26 AM   #43 
  - Biodiesel alone could meet upto 1/3 of today's demand  cprise   Feb-04-04 12:53 AM   #40 
     - could you link these energy sources please cprise?  jmcgowanjm   Feb-05-04 09:44 AM   #48 
        - Thank you SO much for advancing this topic.  TennesseeWalker   Feb-08-04 02:36 PM   #52 
        - Here are a couple  cprise   Feb-09-04 01:05 PM   #53 
           - I am stunned...  hunter   Feb-10-04 12:09 PM   #56 
              - This is an idea proposed in New Hampshire by people who haven't a clue  NNadir   Feb-10-04 04:14 PM   #57 
              - Proposed by Californians and Floridians, apparently...  cprise   Feb-10-04 06:05 PM   #59 
              - Nobody cares about energy provincialism until it's in their backyard.  NNadir   Feb-10-04 06:56 PM   #62 
                 - Yep, nuclear reactors near metro areas are a great sell to the NIMBY crowd  cprise   Feb-17-04 02:20 AM   #70 
                    - Actually the folks around here at Oyster Creek were worried the reactor  NNadir   Feb-17-04 04:33 AM   #73 
                       - smelly plants?  Mike Briggs   Feb-18-04 07:49 AM   #78 
                          - I have not said, "panacea." I have used the words "risk minimized"  NNadir   Feb-18-04 01:25 PM   #80 
                             - There is no argument for an exclusively bio-fuel economy  cprise   Feb-18-04 07:15 PM   #81 
                             - I sympathize with you.  NNadir   Feb-18-04 08:30 PM   #82 
                                - India and China's problems stem from overpopulation  cprise   Feb-19-04 12:26 AM   #83 
                                   - Um, the planet has energy problems owing to overpopulation.  NNadir   Feb-19-04 04:59 AM   #85 
                                      - Enter subject here  Mike Briggs   Feb-19-04 09:27 AM   #87 
                                      - Um, the reaction in Fischer Tropsch syntheses need not use natural gas.  NNadir   Feb-20-04 06:57 PM   #90 
                                         - Subject  Mike Briggs   Feb-25-04 10:01 AM   #94 
                                         - OK  NNadir   Feb-26-04 10:16 PM   #118 
                                         - Great thought provoking post  JetCityLiberal   Feb-29-04 01:09 AM   #132 
                                      - Maybe you should get used to the smog  cprise   Feb-19-04 11:43 PM   #88 
                                         - According to this Abstract from Environmental Science Technology  NNadir   Feb-20-04 06:41 PM   #89 
                                            - emissions  Mike Briggs   Feb-25-04 10:22 AM   #95 
                                            - And I can provide many showing it increases NOx  NNadir   Feb-25-04 03:58 PM   #101 
                                            - New Biodiesel Blend Reduces Particulates and NOx  Bdog   Feb-25-04 10:58 PM   #102 
                                            - DOE Biodiesel Emissions Testing Results  Bdog   Feb-25-04 11:24 PM   #103 
                                            - The reference to cancer is outlandish  cprise   Feb-26-04 12:39 AM   #104 
                                            - There is a huge difference between refereed journals and promotional  NNadir   Feb-26-04 02:24 PM   #113 
                                            - You're welcome to focus on the EPA and Harvard studies  cprise   Feb-27-04 04:21 PM   #125 
                             - erg  Mike Briggs   Feb-19-04 08:57 AM   #86 
                                - Missed your reply.  NNadir   Feb-21-04 12:15 PM   #92 
                                   - re: erg, etc.  Mike Briggs   Feb-25-04 09:52 AM   #93 
                                      - I think you're wiggling still.  NNadir   Feb-25-04 01:01 PM   #98 
                                         - I take the threat of Al Queda seriously  cprise   Feb-26-04 01:19 AM   #105 
                                         - Well, I think we're past the point of reason here.  NNadir   Feb-26-04 08:35 AM   #108 
                                         - insurance companies will not touch the nuclear power industry  Bdog   Feb-26-04 05:56 AM   #107 
                                            - Insurance companies, the source of all wisdom and balance.  NNadir   Feb-26-04 08:49 AM   #109 
                                               - Your post is meaningless and silly  Bdog   Feb-26-04 05:32 PM   #116 
                                               - To each his own. I rather think I was responding in kind.  NNadir   Feb-26-04 09:25 PM   #117 
              - Clueless in New Hampshire?  Mike Briggs   Feb-18-04 07:35 AM   #77 
                 - perhaps you could clarify?  treepig   Feb-18-04 08:23 AM   #79 
                 - i'm still awaiting the incorporation of land costs into your model  treepig   Feb-21-04 08:33 AM   #91 
                    - algae  Mike Briggs   Feb-25-04 10:25 AM   #96 
                       - ok, thanks for the reply and good luck!  treepig   Feb-25-04 02:13 PM   #100 
                          - Thanks. Here is some explanation:  cprise   Feb-26-04 03:01 AM   #106 
              - Pumping water into ponds  cprise   Feb-10-04 05:15 PM   #58 
              - Here you go, a pilot project...  hunter   Feb-10-04 06:25 PM   #61 
                 - Um, the Owens lake has no water in it. n/t  NNadir   Feb-10-04 07:10 PM   #63 
                    - It used to have water...  hunter   Feb-10-04 10:27 PM   #64 
              - Actually... it uses the Sonora mostly as an example and start up  mouse7   May-19-04 07:35 PM   #138 
  - Let energy costs reflect their true production costs.  Bdog   Feb-25-04 01:16 PM   #99 
  - getting back to the original topic  treepig   Feb-26-04 08:58 AM   #110 
  - Plenty of spent oil fields to check, probably a local phenomena  Bdog   Feb-26-04 10:57 AM   #111 
  - ah yes, the old slant drilling scheme  treepig   Feb-26-04 01:14 PM   #112 
  - Oil Window  fedsron2us   Feb-26-04 04:17 PM   #114 
  - Biofuels from Switchgrass: Greener Energy Pastures  Bdog   Feb-26-04 04:56 PM   #115 
  - 270,000 flex-fuel "green" vehicles expected to be sold in Brazil  Bdog   Feb-28-04 01:49 PM   #129 
  - Orasco, S.P. Operating a distillery producing FUEL-ETHANOL  Bdog   Feb-28-04 02:05 PM   #130 
  - free translation!  historian   Mar-01-04 02:23 PM   #136 
     - It’s a good thing they quit subsidiesing a failed system  Bdog   Mar-01-04 11:08 PM   #137 
  - Yes  gamemasterG   Mar-01-04 11:48 AM   #134 
  - not at all  historian   Mar-01-04 02:18 PM   #135 
 

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