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Wed Feb-01-06 08:47 PM
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| 2. because the electricity used to run them comes from |
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polluting sources such as coal powered electric plants. Now if the electric cars could generate their own battery power from natural and non polluting sources like solar or only hydroelectric power, that would be different. that is my suppostion. could be wrong however. Msongs www.msongs.com/liberaltshirts.htm |
| -Why do environmentalists oppose the electric car? |
rfkrfk |
Feb-01-06 08:42 PM |
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I don't know that electric cars are the answer |
Rick Myers |
Feb-01-06 08:45 PM |
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because the electricity used to run them comes from |
msongs |
Feb-01-06 08:47 PM |
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Charge the batteries with solar power. |
ladjf |
Feb-01-06 08:53 PM |
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i think that would take a huge array of solar panels per car. We need |
mom cat |
Feb-01-06 09:01 PM |
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I'm not an engineer so I can't rebut your comment. However, |
ladjf |
Feb-01-06 09:27 PM |
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Most cars need 50KW at the wheels |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-01-06 09:22 PM |
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I"m not an engineer so I don't know the exact numbers here. |
ladjf |
Feb-01-06 09:31 PM |
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An an array of that size... |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-01-06 09:40 PM |
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$30K array will serve a medium size house. Do the car batteries |
ladjf |
Feb-01-06 09:45 PM |
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Oh yes... |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-01-06 09:55 PM |
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The cheapest way to produce the electric power for this or any |
JohnWxy |
Feb-07-06 07:14 PM |
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Home wind power !? |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-07-06 07:20 PM |
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The GEM Car that we are looking at requires 7.2 KW to charge. |
GumboYaYa |
Feb-06-06 09:52 AM |
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Sounds a bit more reasonable... |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-06-06 04:07 PM |
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It gets even cheaper and easier when you factor |
GumboYaYa |
Feb-06-06 04:58 PM |
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That's pretty damn good! |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-06-06 05:12 PM |
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Yes..... |
GumboYaYa |
Feb-06-06 05:19 PM |
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Sounds like you've got it all sorted... |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-06-06 05:25 PM |
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Do you expect this car to be "street legal?" |
NNadir |
Feb-07-06 10:09 AM |
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Well, you wouldn't want to hit the interstate in it... |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-07-06 12:45 PM |
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It goes under 25 in order t o be street legal. |
GumboYaYa |
Feb-07-06 01:53 PM |
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I see your point. |
NNadir |
Feb-07-06 02:08 PM |
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Yes, we do live in an urban area. |
GumboYaYa |
Feb-07-06 02:50 PM |
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Personally, I think urban life is the wave of the future. |
NNadir |
Feb-07-06 02:55 PM |
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We shall see, access to food will be a big issue in the cities. |
GumboYaYa |
Feb-07-06 03:04 PM |
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I especially agree with your last sentence. |
NNadir |
Feb-07-06 03:34 PM |
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regional pollution is better than ... |
rfkrfk |
Feb-01-06 09:11 PM |
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Electricity generation, outside nuclear, is a dirty, polluting process |
Rabrrrrrr |
Feb-01-06 08:50 PM |
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* is totally against electric cars, you know. |
BerryBush |
Feb-01-06 08:51 PM |
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Well, we're clearly screwed, then . . . |
MrModerate |
Feb-01-06 08:55 PM |
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Yeah, nuclear really is the only good option. |
Rabrrrrrr |
Feb-01-06 08:58 PM |
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Not against them myself |
Lorien |
Feb-01-06 08:54 PM |
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I reject the premise. |
bemildred |
Feb-01-06 08:55 PM |
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I agree - much better mileage for the amount of pollution - and for the |
papau |
Feb-01-06 09:29 PM |
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...but strawmen are good fuel for flame wars... |
Viking12 |
Feb-03-06 07:28 AM |
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Yes, a good trap requires bait. nt |
bemildred |
Feb-04-06 08:46 AM |
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Batteries are hazardous waste. |
acmejack |
Feb-01-06 08:55 PM |
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Armada of blue-smoker motorcycles? |
democracyindanger |
Feb-01-06 08:55 PM |
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Two reasons: |
PaganPreacher |
Feb-01-06 08:58 PM |
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...actually we need a return to the days of the 'Stanley Steamers'.... |
cdsilv |
Feb-01-06 09:19 PM |
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Steam would be great! |
PaganPreacher |
Feb-01-06 09:31 PM |
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There are MUCH better steam designs than the Stanley |
midnight armadillo |
Feb-02-06 12:11 PM |
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There are alternative to lead-acid |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-01-06 09:20 PM |
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Could you provide a source for the statement... |
punpirate |
Feb-01-06 09:06 PM |
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try this link |
rfkrfk |
Feb-01-06 09:29 PM |
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Well, this doesn't say that Honda is... |
punpirate |
Feb-01-06 10:32 PM |
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the advantage of electric cars is that you can hook them up to the grid |
yurbud |
Feb-01-06 09:11 PM |
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Beats me |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-01-06 09:19 PM |
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Can't they also use braking to generate power - flywheels? n/t |
cdsilv |
Feb-01-06 09:21 PM |
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They can indeed |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-01-06 09:45 PM |
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20% efficiency for Lead Acid |
happyslug |
Feb-07-06 08:16 AM |
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I don't have a problem with electric cars if... |
NNadir |
Feb-01-06 09:28 PM |
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an electric car has Real regen braking... |
rfkrfk |
Feb-01-06 09:58 PM |
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The regen limit on the Prius is the battery C. |
skids |
Feb-02-06 12:47 AM |
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With that in mind... |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-02-06 01:38 AM |
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The idea is to charge overnight and on the weekends, at least |
amandabeech |
Feb-02-06 02:20 AM |
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I agree in concept, but practice may prove more difficult. |
NNadir |
Feb-02-06 04:22 PM |
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Since peak loading is only going to become more of an issue in the future |
htuttle |
Feb-02-06 05:19 PM |
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They do in the UK and NZ |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-02-06 05:31 PM |
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However they do not use many electric cars in the UK or NZ. |
NNadir |
Feb-02-06 05:51 PM |
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No, but if we did have |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-02-06 06:07 PM |
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Most kinds of plants are most economical when they run continuously. |
NNadir |
Feb-02-06 06:39 PM |
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Agreed... |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-02-06 08:04 PM |
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Of course, aluminum is an excellent battery... |
NNadir |
Feb-02-06 08:56 PM |
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OK, my chem isn't up to that... |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-02-06 09:04 PM |
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You would need to generate sodium hydroxide by the electrolysis of NaCl |
NNadir |
Feb-02-06 09:18 PM |
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Certainly not... |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-02-06 09:23 PM |
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I neglected to mention solar power. |
NNadir |
Feb-03-06 08:12 AM |
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I think the main reason is the capital cost of hundreds of millions of |
NNadir |
Feb-02-06 05:35 PM |
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Ding, ding, ding...you are corect sir. |
GumboYaYa |
Feb-06-06 05:05 PM |
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One could control summer afternoon charging by use of exhorbitant |
amandabeech |
Feb-02-06 08:39 PM |
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I'm sorry Amanda, I didn't see your question from a few days ago. |
NNadir |
Feb-04-06 05:36 AM |
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I agree with you on the population issue, NNadir. |
amandabeech |
Feb-04-06 06:38 PM |
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PHEVs are for all intents and purposes are electric cars. |
skids |
Feb-01-06 09:35 PM |
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Cars are a piss-poor transportation choice for cities |
IrateCitizen |
Feb-03-06 06:43 AM |
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electric powered mass transit is opposed by environmentalists |
rfkrfk |
Feb-04-06 07:34 PM |
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I don't think so. Most environmentalists understand efficiency. |
NNadir |
Feb-04-06 09:47 PM |
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err, no it isn't. nt |
Dead_Parrot |
Feb-06-06 04:15 PM |
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Citation, please? |
IrateCitizen |
Feb-06-06 09:50 PM |
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I think there are some concerns about batteries and pollution in |
JohnWxy |
Feb-07-06 07:48 PM |
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