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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 02:43 PM
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24. Ah Yes. The Tried And True 'Environmental Regulation' Red Herring
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 02:43 PM by loindelrio
Environmental regulation has had little to do with the current abyss we face regarding our energy infrastructure. Free market 'planning' has much to do with the crises we are facing. That is, companies left on their own will pursue their own bottom line with little regard for infrastructure redundancy.

Since the 70's, I seem to remember that 2/3rd's of the nations refineries have been closed. The reason was consolation at larger facilities to effect economies of scale, and to eliminate and over-capacity. So, along comes a hurricane, 10% of refining capacity gone.

In the late 90's electric generating utilities made a run toward building natural gas fired power plants. This was primarily due to these plants being much less costly to build than coal fired plants, part of this differential being the cost of 'cleaning up' coal emissions. This was also due to Yergin's ridiculously optimistic estimates of natural gas reserves. Along comes a hard winter, 25% of the east and west coast generating capacity gone.

Did the cost of environmental regulation influence the decisions made by energy companies, without a doubt. However, complying with environmental regulation is just a cost of doing business. And the incremental savings of the absolute minimum like Texas would require over, say, a Minnesota, is not that great. The difference between Minnesota and China probably is significant, but I wonder how the people of Harbin like their wide-open free market right now.

No, the problem we are facing today is the result of a poorly regulated free market energy infrastructure system, not environmental regulation.

Oh, and regarding ANWR. None of the oil companies are interested. The attractiveness of ANWR was being able to use the Alaskan pipeline. Problem is, due to accelerating global warming, the pipeline is falling apart and will need major repairs exceeding what could be justified by ANWR's relatively paltry amount of oil.
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  -Oil: Wells tapped out? robertpaulsen  Dec-05-05 12:03 PM   #0 
  - Gee, maybe if that's the case it's true that we should have been investing  acmavm   Dec-05-05 12:07 PM   #1 
  - I'm willing to wager  MrMonk   Dec-05-05 12:14 PM   #2 
  - BP-British Petroleum has, as part of its advertizing campaigns,  alfredo   Dec-05-05 12:28 PM   #5 
  - Personal Experience - it's called RAPE  Coastie for Truth   Dec-05-05 12:28 PM   #6 
  - let me get this straight  rman   Dec-05-05 12:45 PM   #9 
  - You are reading too much into what I posted.  Coastie for Truth   Dec-05-05 01:10 PM   #17 
  - I should have been more clear  MrMonk   Dec-05-05 01:47 PM   #21 
     - That is an anti-trust violation  Coastie for Truth   Dec-05-05 02:27 PM   #23 
  - 1st things 1st though: 2nd rate oil sources,  rman   Dec-05-05 12:41 PM   #8 
  - Saw a shale oil guy at a conference in Denver last month  hatrack   Dec-05-05 12:52 PM   #11 
     - "heating" the rock, i assume?  rman   Dec-05-05 01:09 PM   #16 
     - Yeah, he said "Imagine the heating elements in a toaster"  hatrack   Dec-05-05 01:17 PM   #20 
     - There's another proposal  Pigwidgeon   Dec-05-05 03:49 PM   #25 
     - Link To Post That Discusses This 'Breakthrough'  loindelrio   Dec-05-05 07:55 PM   #30 
  - Except for that last sentence, I'm right with you.  sofa king   Dec-05-05 12:54 PM   #13 
  - Oil depletion and technology are two different subject  4dsc   Dec-05-05 05:22 PM   #29 
  - Peak Oil = Peak Profits  loindelrio   Dec-05-05 12:16 PM   #3 
     - That's how they'll distort the truth.  robertpaulsen   Dec-05-05 12:38 PM   #7 
     - Environmentalists haven't helped either...  mechanical mandible   Dec-05-05 12:47 PM   #10 
     - ANWR drilling is no Peak Oil solution.  robertpaulsen   Dec-05-05 01:08 PM   #15 
     - The energy industry is mostly self-regulated  rman   Dec-05-05 01:13 PM   #19 
     - New refineries haven't been built since the first "oil shock"  MrMonk   Dec-05-05 01:57 PM   #22 
     - Ah Yes. The Tried And True 'Environmental Regulation' Red Herring  loindelrio   Dec-05-05 02:43 PM   #24 
     - And the number of Gasoline stations are 1/2 the numbers in the 1970s  happyslug   Dec-05-05 03:57 PM   #26 
     - Its the peak of the cheap oil  TX-RAT   Dec-05-05 04:37 PM   #27 
        - Peak oil is generally defined as the end of cheap oil.  phantom power   Dec-05-05 05:21 PM   #28 
  - I have read Deffeyes and Goodstein  Coastie for Truth   Dec-05-05 12:17 PM   #4 
  - Nuclear power has never been safer....  mechanical mandible   Dec-05-05 12:52 PM   #12 
  - I agree..  sendero   Dec-05-05 01:01 PM   #14 
  - Today's entry from Kunstler's blog Clusterfuck Nation  JohnyCanuck   Dec-05-05 01:10 PM   #18 
  - Some experts say there is huge supply of oil and prices are headed down  philb   Dec-05-05 10:17 PM   #31 

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