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Sat Dec-10-11 10:39 PM
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Edited on Sat Dec-10-11 10:52 PM by PamW
1) Yes - if one uses a reactor like Dr. Till's IFR and the Argonne reprocessing technology. 2) Yes - getting more energy from the same fuel is better. 3) No - I didn't say that. I said 95% of the spent fuel is U-238 4) No - read Dr. Till's statement again. 5) Yes - to the extent that usable uranium and plutonium could generate energy and supplant fossil fuels. 6) Yes - proven, but can still be improved upon as the Argonne process is an improvement. 7) Yes - the weapons labs were able to make a nuclear weapon from spent fuel from a Generation 1 reactor with burnup less than 25,000 Mw-days/metric tonne. We don't have any more Generation 1 reactors; we have Generation 2 reactors that in the '70s were getting burnups of 45,000 Mw-days per metric tonne. With improvements through the years; these Gen 2 reactors are now getting burnups in the range of 55,000 to 60,000 Mw-days per metric tonne. The higher the burnup - the more difficult to use as a weapon fuel.
However, any future reactors don't need to be Gen 2. We could build reactors like Argonne's IFR. As Dr. Till stated in his interview, and as confirmed / certified by Lawrence Livermore National Lab, the designers of the USA's nuclear weapons; LLNL certified that it is IMPOSSIBLE to make nuclear weapons with the material that Argonne's reprocessing methods generate.
On this last point, Los Alamos and Lawrence Livermore are the true authorities as to what can and can not be done in the field of nuclear weapon design. Anyone outside those labs that says he / she knows what truly can or can not be done is bluffing. True nuclear weapons design expertise in the USA resides ONLY at those labs.
Additionally, the IFR recycling process as actually demonstrated by Argonne National Lab at the prototype IFR reactor at the Argonne-West site in Idaho; the recycling is done on the reactor site. The process does not require a large chemical processing facility. The Argonne process is compact enough so that each reactor has its own reprocessing facility in the high radiation area of the plant. There's no opportunity for personnel to have access to the area. Everything is done remotely in a high-radiation environment. Also there's no shipping of either spent fuel or plutonium on the open roads. Natural or depleted uranium can be used as a feedstock, bred into plutonium in the reactor, recycled in the reactor containment, burned, and discharged as short-lived fission products.
PamW
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| -3 Reasons to Avoid Nuclear Power |
kristopher |
Dec-09-11 09:28 PM |
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three reasons to avoid nuclear power: |
niyad |
Dec-09-11 09:31 PM |
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which are... |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 05:33 PM |
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They make money for a few decades, but then they |
lob1 |
Dec-09-11 09:48 PM |
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The point of this report by the Fool... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-09-11 10:30 PM |
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My point was that it's a bad investment, too. |
lob1 |
Dec-09-11 10:50 PM |
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Not your call to make.... |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 05:26 PM |
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Exelon does make money off nuclear... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-10-11 07:42 PM |
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Exelon CEO... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-10-11 11:49 PM |
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Not if you reprocess / recycle |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 02:48 PM |
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Nope. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 03:24 PM |
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Just because anti-nukes say it doesn't make it true. |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 04:00 PM |
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This is tiresome. You are making another assertion that you KNOW to be false. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 05:44 PM |
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You misinterpret |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 06:31 PM |
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The table lays all of the alternatives out in the same column. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 07:30 PM |
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NOT FALSE |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 08:01 PM |
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The original point is unambiguously answered here, and you are wrong. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 08:22 PM |
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FAULTY ERROR ERROR |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 08:39 PM |
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Unfortunately.... |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 07:26 PM |
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You can't worm your way out with the "baffle 'em with bullshit" tactic either. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 07:33 PM |
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NOPE!! |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 07:49 PM |
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Tell that to the DOE Office of Nuclear Energy, it is their data. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 08:04 PM |
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I have no beef with DOE. Only your FAULTY interpretation |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 08:32 PM |
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You ARE disputing the DOE data. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 08:34 PM |
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Tell us what Class C waste is.. |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 08:51 PM |
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You are trying to create another straw man. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 09:12 PM |
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I note no enlightenment from you. |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 09:21 PM |
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You underestimate our readership |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 08:05 PM |
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You are arguing with DOE Pam - their data is unambiguous. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 08:15 PM |
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BAD INTERPRETATION |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 08:26 PM |
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This is the claim you are disputing |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 08:31 PM |
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I'm not disputing DOE - only saying YOU are WRONG!! |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 09:05 PM |
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All this about... |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 10:03 PM |
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FAULTY interpretation |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 07:41 PM |
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Unlike you I have already given a complete reference pam. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 07:48 PM |
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Even the devil... |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 07:53 PM |
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Tell that to the DOE Office of Nuclear Energy, it is their data. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 08:08 PM |
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I have no problem with DOE; only your FAULTY interpretation |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 08:17 PM |
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It isn't subject to interpretation it is unambiguous |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 08:21 PM |
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This is the assertion you said was an anti-nuclear falsehood |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 08:32 PM |
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Kris - this is really quite simple |
FBaggins |
Dec-10-11 08:38 PM |
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You're right, but your question is irrelevant to the discussion. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 08:42 PM |
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"Yes or no" cannot be substituted with "you're right" |
FBaggins |
Dec-10-11 08:44 PM |
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Bullshit. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 08:48 PM |
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Still dodging? |
FBaggins |
Dec-10-11 08:52 PM |
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Adhering to the point isn't "dodging" |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 09:06 PM |
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Inventing the point, OTOH, *IS* |
FBaggins |
Dec-10-11 09:22 PM |
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The "true believer" isn't swayed by logic or science... |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 09:51 PM |
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Read Dr Till's statement on the Argonne process |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 09:31 PM |
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He doesn't know his waste Classes |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 09:17 PM |
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ONE reason to avoid nuclear power... |
Karenina |
Dec-09-11 11:29 PM |
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One of the biggest, most important reasons - we failed already |
saras |
Dec-10-11 01:27 AM |
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That was the argument; but what is the reality? |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 02:56 PM |
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Nuclear cheerleaders live in a fantasy world. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 03:27 PM |
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For the United States.... |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 04:14 PM |
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Proliferation-proof reprocessing |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 04:28 PM |
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There it is, proof positive that nuclear cheerleaders live in a fantasy world. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 05:46 PM |
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NOPE |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 11:16 PM |
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6 standard false claims of the nuclear industry |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 08:39 PM |
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This is where knowing the science comes in handy. |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 10:27 PM |
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Dual use technologies are part of the nuclear fuel cycles. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 10:41 PM |
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WRONG WRONG!!! |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 11:25 PM |
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Expanding on the IEER points regarding reprocessing: |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 09:54 PM |
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I stongly urge... |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 10:10 PM |
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Is this an accurate statement of what you believe to be true regarding reprocessing? |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 10:23 PM |
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Summary |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 10:39 PM |
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Good. You are clearly on the record. |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 10:44 PM |
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The parts I read were just plain WRONG!! |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 11:13 PM |
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What good are these mere assertions by you, a known purveyor of false information? |
kristopher |
Dec-10-11 11:19 PM |
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Evidently you aren't reading or at least understanding. |
PamW |
Dec-10-11 11:38 PM |
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