PamW
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Thu Dec-08-11 09:19 AM
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Bob,
Even WITH all the advances you list; you will NEVER, NEVER, EVER
beat the limits that I listed.
That's because Mother Nature herself obeys those limits. When we generate energy,
we use Mother Nature's laws and make her laws do our bidding. However, that means
we have to live with the limits that Mother Nature obeys.
You are also INCORRECT that we haven't bumped up against those laws. Some
present solar cells are bumping up against the limit.
Sure, we haven't wrung out manufacturing inefficiency - but those do not limit
the energy one can get from solar. They just affect cost and production rate.
PamW
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| -Solar has hit grid parity... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-07-11 01:43 PM |
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Has does one calculate the annual cost of maintaining access to ME oil? |
Old and In the Way |
Dec-07-11 01:52 PM |
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A whole 'nother can of worms. |
DCKit |
Dec-07-11 01:59 PM |
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Agreed... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-07-11 02:21 PM |
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I concur...and welcome aboard! |
Old and In the Way |
Dec-07-11 03:47 PM |
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+1 Agreed |
txlibdem |
Dec-07-11 05:53 PM |
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If you can't refuel an Aircraft Carrier with Solar, it won't fly. |
formercia |
Dec-07-11 02:14 PM |
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If we can end the wars for oil... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-07-11 02:25 PM |
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Our carriers will see plenty of use even if we never need another drop of oil. |
JoeyT |
Dec-07-11 09:46 PM |
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Let me add... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-07-11 02:39 PM |
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And that probably assumes that solar technology remains static 30 years from now. |
Old and In the Way |
Dec-07-11 03:51 PM |
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The laws of Physics tell us some fundamental limits to solar |
PamW |
Dec-07-11 06:28 PM |
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and the the Laws 'o Physics limits the thermal efficiency of nuclear plants to ~30% |
jpak |
Dec-07-11 06:40 PM |
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WRONG!!! |
PamW |
Dec-08-11 09:10 AM |
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Only someone who wishes to distort the argument... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-08-11 02:51 PM |
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Sorry... there's no way that solar with storage would be cheaper. |
FBaggins |
Dec-08-11 02:55 PM |
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Give me some numbers... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-08-11 03:55 PM |
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Just to add, solar panels generate power even on overcast days. |
diane in sf |
Dec-08-11 07:42 PM |
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Got data? |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-08-11 07:46 PM |
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Depends on what you mean by "work better" |
caraher |
Dec-08-11 10:03 PM |
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Could be... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-09-11 12:19 AM |
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Direct and diffuse light in a cloudy climate like Pittsburgh |
Kolesar |
Dec-09-11 05:02 AM |
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WRONG!!!111 The thermal efficiency of commerical light water nuclear plants is ~30% |
jpak |
Dec-09-11 09:48 AM |
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The laws of physics, so far... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-07-11 11:41 PM |
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WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! |
PamW |
Dec-08-11 09:19 AM |
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Pam, who give a flying (you know what)? |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-08-11 11:21 AM |
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A whole lot of us just *can't* get on board your NATURAL GAS bandwagon |
txlibdem |
Dec-09-11 07:53 AM |
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You so misread me... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-09-11 11:07 AM |
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"I've got no natural gas bandwagon" then write 4 paragraphs of pro-natural gas talking points |
txlibdem |
Dec-10-11 07:25 AM |
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Ah, I get it... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-10-11 10:24 AM |
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4 paragraphs is an awful lot of "objectivity" pro natural gas in my opinion |
txlibdem |
Dec-10-11 07:33 PM |
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OK... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-10-11 07:49 PM |
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You forgot NOX pollution but that's still a good list |
txlibdem |
Dec-10-11 11:11 PM |
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Do you understand... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-10-11 11:39 PM |
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2050 |
txlibdem |
Dec-11-11 06:27 PM |
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Fine. So I will put an extra set of PV panels on my garage to compliment the PVs on my house |
Kolesar |
Dec-08-11 03:47 PM |
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Money yes, efficiency no |
caraher |
Dec-08-11 09:55 AM |
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Good summary |
PamW |
Dec-08-11 09:57 AM |
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Wha? |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-08-11 11:23 AM |
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I was just putting a generous cap on the "golly gee, the sky's the limit" talk |
caraher |
Dec-08-11 04:39 PM |
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Do you remember "the sound barrier"? |
kristopher |
Dec-08-11 05:11 PM |
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The sound "barrier" was only an engineering barrier |
PamW |
Dec-08-11 06:48 PM |
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The only "fail" is your reading comprehension, Pam. |
kristopher |
Dec-08-11 08:12 PM |
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That's pretty cool |
caraher |
Dec-08-11 10:01 PM |
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I can't argue on the sceince of technology efficiency improvements. |
Old and In the Way |
Dec-08-11 02:30 PM |
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WRONG - solar is is too expensive to compete with too-cheap-to-meter nuclear power |
jpak |
Dec-07-11 06:38 PM |
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Nice! Grid parity for huge solar farms means that residential can't be too far behind |
txlibdem |
Dec-07-11 06:54 PM |
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Already there... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-07-11 11:51 PM |
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I wish the Federal subsidy would kick in more than that, TX has no state or local subsidies |
txlibdem |
Dec-08-11 06:08 AM |
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Texas... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-08-11 02:45 PM |
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Something you might rather not hear... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-09-11 12:16 AM |
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It's a good thing that solar doesn't use much water |
txlibdem |
Dec-09-11 08:08 AM |
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Dry cooling... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-09-11 11:11 AM |
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30 years is a long time for Semi-conductors |
One_Life_To_Give |
Dec-08-11 05:22 PM |
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WRONG! |
Kolesar |
Dec-09-11 08:10 AM |
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Something is "WRONG" on UToob... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-09-11 11:14 AM |
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It's Saturday Night Live |
Kolesar |
Dec-09-11 02:37 PM |
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OK that got me to watch it... |
kristopher |
Dec-09-11 03:15 PM |
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Solar power much cheaper to produce than most analysts realize, study finds |
OKIsItJustMe |
Dec-09-11 06:11 PM |
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