Bob Wallace
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Mon Dec-05-11 04:42 PM
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There are no Gen 4 or SMR plants. We don't know how much they would cost to build. Nor how long they would take to build. There's no reason to think that a thorium reactor using molten salt transfer would be significantly faster or cheaper to build. And during the 20 years or so for us to find out the price of wind and solar will continue to fall.
Small modular reactors are likely built on false hope. One does not achieve economies of scale with 100 units. It takes tens of thousands sort of activity to drastically reduce costs. (Hyperion recently doubled their cost estimate.)
The nuclear industry has repeatedly promised low and delivered high.
Plus SMRs have an enormous NIMBY problem. Just try to find 100 US communitites willing to permit a reactor of any size in their neighborhood.
Gen 4 thorium might be safer, but it still fails two of the three important tests.
Seems to me that the pro-nukers would like us to forget the history of the nuclear industry. We didn't stop building reactors in the US because of TMI. The US nuclear industry was already grinding to a halt prior to that meltdown. Cost of reactors killed nuclear builds. Construction costs are significantly higher now. And we've developed multiple cheaper/faster/safer methods of generating electricity.
Just call me a nuclear-realist. Nuclear is a problem-bedridden solution for a problem for which we have better solutions.
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| -Another reason to be leery of fracking. |
grntuscarora |
Dec-05-11 06:39 AM |
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Concentrated radiatioactive material from Natural Gas |
txlibdem |
Dec-05-11 07:25 AM |
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Yeah, you got it ... |
Nihil |
Dec-05-11 09:02 AM |
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True, and oil drilling pipes get coated with radioactive material... then are piled on the ground |
txlibdem |
Dec-05-11 04:33 PM |
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Gee Chesapeake Energy has been flooding the air waves |
doc03 |
Dec-05-11 08:48 AM |
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k and r |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Dec-05-11 12:41 PM |
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Am I anti-nuke? |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-05-11 03:43 PM |
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What you say is true of the LWR and BWR nuclear plants, not true of Gen 4 or SMR's |
txlibdem |
Dec-05-11 04:29 PM |
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Only problem with that is... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-05-11 04:42 PM |
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6 companies are in the approval pipeline TODAY to build SMRs |
txlibdem |
Dec-05-11 05:11 PM |
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My crystal ball is broken... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-05-11 05:49 PM |
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40% reduction is baseless, I reject it out of hand |
txlibdem |
Dec-05-11 05:56 PM |
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They will? |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-05-11 06:36 PM |
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Yup, I'm sure Henry Ford thought the same way |
txlibdem |
Dec-05-11 07:44 PM |
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Did you pay attention... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-05-11 07:58 PM |
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How exactly would the competition undercut the price? |
txlibdem |
Dec-06-11 06:15 AM |
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Read the posts again... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-06-11 12:21 PM |
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Wrong. You've lost sight of who is the competition for SMRs and Gen 4 Lithium power plants |
txlibdem |
Dec-06-11 04:44 PM |
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Prove it. |
kristopher |
Dec-06-11 05:09 PM |
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Which one would you like me to start with? |
txlibdem |
Dec-06-11 07:39 PM |
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Oops... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-06-11 09:10 PM |
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Your chart shows natural gas peaking plants still on top |
txlibdem |
Dec-07-11 08:57 AM |
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Very weird... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-07-11 12:06 PM |
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Reality disagrees with you... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-06-11 08:59 PM |
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Your reality disagrees with THE reality |
txlibdem |
Dec-07-11 09:11 AM |
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Fifteen cents... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-07-11 12:12 PM |
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"Any cost speculation is simply speculation" and yet you took it as fact and based your case on it? |
txlibdem |
Dec-07-11 05:32 PM |
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No. |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-08-11 10:24 AM |
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Strange |
txlibdem |
Dec-08-11 08:56 PM |
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Eric has his head up his butt on this one... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-08-11 09:21 PM |
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Thanks for sharing you opinion: that's all it is, no facts, no studies, no hard data |
txlibdem |
Dec-09-11 07:08 AM |
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PS, you completely failed to answer the argument in my post (n/t) |
txlibdem |
Dec-05-11 05:57 PM |
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This was an argument? |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-05-11 06:43 PM |
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You can't argue against unsubstantiated claims... but you sure can make them |
txlibdem |
Dec-05-11 07:47 PM |
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Please point out... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-05-11 08:00 PM |
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Already stated... please don't be redundant |
txlibdem |
Dec-06-11 06:21 AM |
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If you have... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-06-11 12:19 PM |
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Posts #10 and #18. |
txlibdem |
Dec-06-11 04:50 PM |
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You'll have to excuse me... |
Bob Wallace |
Dec-06-11 09:11 PM |
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Your definition of a zealot is anyone that rules out nuclear. |
kristopher |
Dec-05-11 04:54 PM |
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And he STILL gets it wrong... as if he'd never read a single post of mine in the past. |
txlibdem |
Dec-05-11 05:19 PM |
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Fracking reality in Wyoming |
wygene |
Dec-07-11 10:55 PM |
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The fat cats get rich, we get poisoned... and then get stuck paying the Dr. bills |
txlibdem |
Dec-08-11 09:20 PM |
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Connecting the Dots: The Marcellus Natural Gas Play Players – Part 1 |
Frack Glop |
Dec-09-11 03:55 AM |
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Elephant in the Gas Well |
Frack Glop |
Dec-09-11 03:57 AM |
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