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Mon Oct-31-11 05:12 AM
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| 24. With all due respect to your pro-solar efforts |
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You obviously don't read around the rest of DU much, if at all. Your frequent underlying assumptions and implications of market superiority are recognized on this site as old hat and an intrinsic part of the global economic failure. You automatically undermine pro-solar arguments here with your pro-market cant.
Ideology and economics do overlap to a large extent.
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| -Darwin Award: Amory Lovins says "less government meddling will unlock green energy's power..." |
txlibdem |
Oct-30-11 11:15 PM |
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right, because deregulation has worked out so well for every other form of energy |
phantom power |
Oct-30-11 11:18 PM |
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Did you read his ideas or just react as a typical pronuclear hater of Amory Lovins? |
kristopher |
Oct-30-11 11:53 PM |
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Did you read where he called for all Fossil subsidies to be ended? Me neither! |
txlibdem |
Oct-31-11 12:15 AM |
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Oct-31-11 12:20 AM |
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He said it right here - on NPR's Science Friday - you can hear it with your own ears |
bananas |
Nov-01-11 03:40 AM |
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Thank you, Bananas. That was a much appreciated additon to the discussion |
txlibdem |
Nov-01-11 08:29 PM |
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It was already completely clear from the article the OP references. |
kristopher |
Nov-01-11 08:38 PM |
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There were over 20 links at that page and nothing said what you claimed |
txlibdem |
Nov-02-11 12:04 AM |
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Are you unable to read?!? The subject of his book is getting rid of all fossil fuels |
kristopher |
Nov-02-11 12:25 AM |
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You forget, Kris, that I too criticize the current nuclear industry also |
txlibdem |
Nov-02-11 08:17 PM |
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That transcript link doesn't seem to work anymore - here's one at NPR |
bananas |
Nov-02-11 03:51 AM |
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Well in that case |
Marazinia |
Oct-30-11 11:28 PM |
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You obviously know nothing of Lovins. |
kristopher |
Oct-30-11 11:50 PM |
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If the nuclear industry truly hates him, I'll have to check out his work |
Marazinia |
Oct-31-11 12:21 AM |
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They despise him. |
kristopher |
Oct-31-11 12:35 AM |
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Interesting article |
Marazinia |
Oct-31-11 12:44 AM |
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Here is the Executive Summary of the Book diccussed in the OP |
kristopher |
Oct-31-11 12:53 AM |
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Okay, I'm starting to understand more of what he's driving at |
Marazinia |
Oct-31-11 01:16 AM |
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Don't bother--he's a greenwasher. Nothing more, nothing less. |
TheWraith |
Oct-31-11 11:55 AM |
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Oct-31-11 12:09 PM |
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Don't get angry at me just because he publicly declared his allegiance to big business. |
TheWraith |
Oct-31-11 12:10 PM |
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Nope - you are 100% wrong. |
bananas |
Nov-02-11 04:24 AM |
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Oct-31-11 12:09 PM |
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While attempting to discredit nuclear he's made a small fortune from Big Oil. |
wtmusic |
Oct-31-11 12:30 PM |
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There sholdn't be any link between who pays your lucrative lifestyle and your views and opinions |
txlibdem |
Nov-01-11 11:48 PM |
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That "evidence" is only "damning" when you nuclear folks take it out of context |
kristopher |
Nov-02-11 12:19 AM |
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Isn't that like saying I'm a nice guy, don't take the paycheck I receive from SATAN out of context |
txlibdem |
Nov-02-11 08:37 PM |
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They remind me of a certain poster I don't see much around here anymore since the nuke disaster in |
madokie |
Oct-31-11 06:25 AM |
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well f*ck. I used to admire Lovins (but then, I used to admire Nader) /nt |
Rabblevox |
Oct-30-11 11:32 PM |
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Yup. Looks like he sold out to me... I used to admire him as well. |
txlibdem |
Oct-31-11 12:18 AM |
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Seriously, you are recyling Nuclear Energy Institute crap like that? |
kristopher |
Oct-31-11 12:29 AM |
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Did I not hit the nail on the head in my reply #25? |
madokie |
Oct-31-11 06:42 AM |
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The OP has retracted his mischaracterization of Amory Lovins - see posts #35 and #40 |
bananas |
Nov-02-11 04:22 AM |
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Sure about one month after we actually run out of fossil fuels. |
jwirr |
Oct-30-11 11:35 PM |
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Why don't you try actually refuting what Lovins has to say? |
kristopher |
Oct-30-11 11:45 PM |
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Kristopher is now on record: Green Energy should be controlled by the Invisible Hand of the Market |
txlibdem |
Oct-31-11 12:21 AM |
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Are you reduced to that level? |
kristopher |
Oct-31-11 12:38 AM |
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Here are Lovins' own words: |
txlibdem |
Oct-31-11 12:51 AM |
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All that shows is that you don't know the difference between ideology and economics. |
kristopher |
Oct-31-11 01:07 AM |
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With all due respect to your pro-solar efforts |
cprise |
Oct-31-11 05:12 AM |
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Oct-31-11 11:22 AM |
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On the contrary - kristopher's posts are EXACTLY in tune with Operation Wall Street |
bananas |
Nov-02-11 04:09 AM |
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It doesn't matter if you're using dollars, barter, or Ithaca Hours: nuclear energy sucks |
bananas |
Nov-02-11 04:12 AM |
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If you were actually aware of what's happening... |
bananas |
Oct-31-11 01:21 AM |
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Naw you just don't comprehend very well sometime bro' |
madokie |
Oct-31-11 06:45 AM |
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You completely miss the point: "nuclear, coal and natural gas — also receive government subsidies" |
bananas |
Oct-31-11 01:09 AM |
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No, the point is |
cprise |
Oct-31-11 05:05 AM |
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You don't get it either do you? |
madokie |
Oct-31-11 06:46 AM |
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"Pull my finger . . . . " |
no_hypocrisy |
Oct-31-11 07:07 AM |
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Lovins is a grifter and a quack. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-01-11 12:40 PM |
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Don't make such foolish claims. |
kristopher |
Nov-01-11 01:13 PM |
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I would say that Lovins has done more to save us energy than any other person |
madokie |
Nov-01-11 02:09 PM |
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Didn't Nader do more to save lives than anyone else long ago? |
txlibdem |
Nov-02-11 12:57 AM |
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I'm not talking about NADER as in Ralph |
madokie |
Nov-02-11 05:11 AM |
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Ok, let's say we're talking about someone that none of us knows |
txlibdem |
Nov-02-11 02:13 PM |
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That has nothing to do with what I posted that you replied to that I corrected you on |
madokie |
Nov-02-11 05:24 PM |
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All I'm saying is that you claim he gets to rest on his laurels and can do no wrong |
txlibdem |
Nov-02-11 08:34 PM |
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Why? |
SpoonFed |
Nov-02-11 03:18 PM |
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Nov-01-11 02:06 PM |
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Nope - Amory Lovins has been proven right |
bananas |
Nov-02-11 04:17 AM |
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Meanwhile, Mr. Lovins has been proven wrong |
txlibdem |
Nov-02-11 08:26 PM |
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