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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-11 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #80
82. And we've been building electrical grids for 100+ years
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  -Will the Transition to Renewables Be Fast or Slow? kristopher  Sep-03-11 09:03 PM   #0 
  - it will be slow until it's critical  ixion   Sep-03-11 09:04 PM   #1 
  - Rocket fast.  FBaggins   Sep-03-11 09:17 PM   #2 
  - Renewables  georged193   Sep-03-11 09:24 PM   #3 
  - McKay makes a number of invalid assumptions.  kristopher   Sep-03-11 09:40 PM   #5 
  - +1. God bless numbers. Watts to horsepower makes things clearer.  napoleon_in_rags   Sep-03-11 10:03 PM   #7 
  - That is an absurd "analysis"  kristopher   Sep-03-11 10:25 PM   #9 
     - If people can't accept the facts on the ground, we won't move forward.  napoleon_in_rags   Sep-03-11 11:24 PM   #18 
        - Your points really aren't worth discussion in respect to the OP  kristopher   Sep-03-11 11:43 PM   #20 
           - "Nobody's gonna take my car, gonna take my car"  napoleon_in_rags   Sep-04-11 12:21 AM   #22 
              - If that's what you see as the status quo...  kristopher   Sep-04-11 12:36 AM   #24 
                 - Well said  Yo_Mama   Sep-06-11 11:50 AM   #44 
                    - I think a significant difference in our views...  kristopher   Sep-06-11 07:24 PM   #48 
  - Welcome to DU  XemaSab   Sep-03-11 10:28 PM   #10 
  - IPCC: Renewables can supply more far energy than needed at highly competitive cost  kristopher   Sep-03-11 10:34 PM   #11 
  - Welcome to DU.  mahina   Sep-03-11 10:51 PM   #13 
  - LOL - talk about Disneyland!  bananas   Sep-04-11 07:34 AM   #30 
  - How often can you afford to buy a new car in a recession?  napoleon_in_rags   Sep-03-11 09:39 PM   #4 
  - The rotation is expected to take decades.  kristopher   Sep-03-11 09:43 PM   #6 
     - One of the best things I can do is ride a bike.  napoleon_in_rags   Sep-03-11 10:09 PM   #8 
  - Both. For those who can afford it will be quick and painless.  TheMadMonk   Sep-03-11 10:44 PM   #12 
  - You've neglected the entire range of energy sources that are flexible  kristopher   Sep-03-11 11:12 PM   #16 
     - The problem is the same, same but different problem with wave/tidal...  TheMadMonk   Sep-04-11 12:21 AM   #21 
        - You cannot support that view of how the system is designed  kristopher   Sep-04-11 12:30 AM   #23 
           - If you have...  CJvR   Sep-06-11 08:58 AM   #41 
              - That is looking in the wrong end of the telescope  kristopher   Sep-06-11 09:14 PM   #53 
                 - Actually...  CJvR   Sep-07-11 07:43 AM   #68 
                    - What is your benchmark for "more"  kristopher   Sep-07-11 08:28 AM   #71 
                       - "Delivered power"  CJvR   Sep-08-11 10:16 AM   #79 
                          - You are wrong. Your use of capacity factor is a logical error.  kristopher   Sep-08-11 05:44 PM   #81 
                             - In what way?  CJvR   Sep-09-11 02:42 AM   #96 
                                - That is explained in post 53 and 71 in this subthread above.  kristopher   Sep-09-11 02:52 AM   #97 
                                   - Really?  CJvR   Sep-09-11 12:38 PM   #99 
                                      - Yes, really.  kristopher   Sep-09-11 07:22 PM   #100 
  - It depends  mahina   Sep-03-11 10:53 PM   #14 
  - That used to be my way of thinking...  kristopher   Sep-03-11 11:30 PM   #19 
  - Presumes a fact not in evidence. I have no hope that we will successfully  kestrel91316   Sep-03-11 10:58 PM   #15 
  - What is presumed?  kristopher   Sep-03-11 11:15 PM   #17 
  - Unfortunately, Italy gets 90% of its primary energy from carbon.  GliderGuider   Sep-04-11 01:02 AM   #25 
  - Your reference to Italy isn't particulary relevant.  kristopher   Sep-04-11 02:02 AM   #26 
     - Neither was yours...  GliderGuider   Sep-04-11 03:10 AM   #27 
        - The difference is  kristopher   Sep-04-11 03:27 AM   #28 
           - I'll see your China and raise you a Cornyn  GliderGuider   Sep-04-11 04:10 AM   #29 
              - Approximately 3 months before they changed policy in 2009...  kristopher   Sep-04-11 08:13 AM   #31 
                 - Thanks. I really hope you're right. /nt  GliderGuider   Sep-04-11 09:11 AM   #32 
  - Lets talk about the transition from Sail to Steam...  happyslug   Sep-04-11 04:11 PM   #33 
  - There's no arguing with faith  Terry in Austin   Sep-04-11 07:20 PM   #34 
  - Total worldwide annual energy consumption is 15 TW, global renewable potential is 86,902 TW  txlibdem   Sep-05-11 04:22 PM   #35 
  - Global renewable potential: 86,902 TW; Global renewable production: 0.4 TW.  GliderGuider   Sep-06-11 06:16 AM   #36 
     - Horsehockey  kristopher   Sep-06-11 06:38 AM   #37 
     - Once we run out of fossil fuels we will make the shift.  GliderGuider   Sep-06-11 06:43 AM   #38 
        - There is no basis for your opinion, GG.  kristopher   Sep-06-11 06:54 AM   #39 
     - You stated that "there are reasons" why renewables produce a tiny percentage of our energy - why?  txlibdem   Sep-06-11 08:31 AM   #40 
        - Because we have an industrial civilization predicated on fossil fuels.  GliderGuider   Sep-06-11 09:25 AM   #42 
           - We have a society highly dependent on fossil fuels -- it didn't happen over night, nor by accident  txlibdem   Sep-06-11 11:23 AM   #43 
              - Who said anything about a cataclysm?  GliderGuider   Sep-06-11 01:16 PM   #45 
                 - You said cataclysm  txlibdem   Sep-06-11 07:03 PM   #46 
                 - I didn't say it will happen, I said it would both help and hinder if it happened.  GliderGuider   Sep-06-11 08:01 PM   #49 
                 - After all of that you still haven't supported your assertion  kristopher   Sep-06-11 07:18 PM   #47 
                    - These are my opinions, kris.  GliderGuider   Sep-06-11 08:22 PM   #50 
                       - It isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of facts.  kristopher   Sep-06-11 08:33 PM   #51 
                          - See, you just can't stop doing it.  GliderGuider   Sep-06-11 09:06 PM   #52 
                             - I understood perfectly, I just don't accept your plea...  kristopher   Sep-06-11 09:28 PM   #54 
                                - He offered you his opinion  Nederland   Sep-07-11 12:58 AM   #59 
                                - Your example is "an opinion" just as evolution or climate change is "an opinion"  kristopher   Sep-07-11 01:01 AM   #60 
                                   - Exactly!  Nederland   Sep-07-11 01:03 AM   #62 
                                      - See, more of your silly games...  kristopher   Sep-07-11 01:06 AM   #64 
                                         - A game played by two people though  Nederland   Sep-07-11 01:09 AM   #66 
                                - Whenever I find my self getting entrenched in a position  GliderGuider   Sep-07-11 06:03 AM   #67 
                                   - That's one way of looking at it...  kristopher   Sep-07-11 07:43 AM   #69 
                                      - I'm not comfortable as a materialist.  GliderGuider   Sep-07-11 08:24 AM   #70 
                                         - Bullpucky. Being a realist isn't being a materialist.  kristopher   Sep-07-11 08:42 AM   #72 
                                            - What an excellent demonstration!  GliderGuider   Sep-07-11 08:48 AM   #73 
                                            - Being "realistic" means to be aligned with one's definition of reality, no?  GliderGuider   Sep-07-11 09:02 AM   #74 
                                               - No.  kristopher   Sep-07-11 09:40 AM   #75 
                                                  - So does it mean being aligned with someone else's definition of reality?  GliderGuider   Sep-07-11 09:56 AM   #76 
                                                     - This isn't a metaphysical riddle, it is basic, well understood science and engineering.  kristopher   Sep-08-11 12:03 AM   #77 
                                                     - What is the foundation of science?  GliderGuider   Sep-08-11 06:25 AM   #78 
                                                     - Except we've actually built TVs and radios  Nederland   Sep-08-11 02:42 PM   #80 
                                                     - And we've been building electrical grids for 100+ years  kristopher   Sep-08-11 05:47 PM   #82 
                                                     - Grids that run on 100% wind and PV?  GliderGuider   Sep-08-11 08:34 PM   #83 
                                                     - Based on events in CA today, I am a little skeptical about our ability to build robust grids.  GliderGuider   Sep-08-11 08:57 PM   #84 
                                                     - That opinion demonstrates your lack of knowledge  kristopher   Sep-08-11 09:31 PM   #85 
                                                     - Interesting how you ignored post #83 (nt)  Nederland   Sep-08-11 09:36 PM   #86 
                                                     - Happy to respond.  kristopher   Sep-08-11 09:51 PM   #87 
                                                     - Response  Nederland   Sep-08-11 11:43 PM   #89 
                                                     - I can and am saying exactly that.  kristopher   Sep-09-11 12:37 AM   #90 
                                                     - Keep digging  Nederland   Sep-09-11 01:08 AM   #92 
                                                     - We've long known from your climate denial position that your definition of "fact"  kristopher   Sep-09-11 01:24 AM   #93 
                                                     - You should really stop using the word sophistry kristopher  Nederland   Sep-09-11 01:31 AM   #94 
                                                     - Apparently you don't like having your approach properly categorized  kristopher   Sep-09-11 01:49 AM   #95 
                                                     - Back to mind reading again Kristopher?  Nederland   Sep-09-11 10:48 PM   #101 
                                                     - It doesn't require mind reading.  kristopher   Sep-09-11 11:56 PM   #104 
                                                     - You are delusional  Nederland   Sep-10-11 12:24 AM   #105 
                                                     - Have we ever built and tested a million-customer grid based on 100% renewables yet?  GliderGuider   Sep-08-11 10:00 PM   #88 
                                                     - That is part of the body of work that supports my assertions.  kristopher   Sep-09-11 12:41 AM   #91 
                                                     - I'm going to put a stake in the ground here. Think of it as driving in my picket pin.  GliderGuider   Sep-09-11 08:45 AM   #98 
  - Slow  Nederland   Sep-06-11 09:46 PM   #55 
  - "Maybe... Maybe... It doesn't really matter what the reason was though"  kristopher   Sep-06-11 10:33 PM   #56 
     - Perhaps we should define terms  Nederland   Sep-06-11 10:53 PM   #57 
        - Perhaps you should have started with something besides obvious sophistry.  kristopher   Sep-07-11 12:14 AM   #58 
           - Agreed  Nederland   Sep-07-11 01:01 AM   #61 
              - You've had far to many second chances...  kristopher   Sep-07-11 01:05 AM   #63 
                 - I already did (nt)  Nederland   Sep-07-11 01:07 AM   #65 
  - There will be NO transition to renewable  4dsc   Sep-09-11 10:50 PM   #102 
     - You should enhance your understanding of "energy carriers"  kristopher   Sep-09-11 11:46 PM   #103 
        - BS alert  4dsc   Sep-10-11 10:32 AM   #106 
           - It's unfortunate you prefer to form your world view around junk science.  kristopher   Sep-10-11 03:03 PM   #107 
 

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