zipplewrath
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Thu Aug-25-11 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #18 |
| 21. Different efficiency calculation |
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That's "well to wheels". I was quoting "Tank to wheels".
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| -It's Time To Kill The Electric Car, Drive A Stake Through Its Heart And Burn The Corpse |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-25-11 11:19 AM |
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing -- hopefully we're working |
gateley |
Aug-25-11 11:21 AM |
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I skipped this Edison quote from earlier in the article |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-25-11 11:26 AM |
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There are some promising batteries coming from nanotech research |
PoliticAverse |
Aug-25-11 11:45 AM |
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Please name me one thing we use in everyday life |
Confusious |
Aug-25-11 04:16 PM |
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Nanosized silver particles are used as disinfectant |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-25-11 04:31 PM |
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Nano particles are different then manufacturing nanotubes |
Confusious |
Aug-25-11 05:57 PM |
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How about TV’s? |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-26-11 08:34 AM |
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Yea, that looks like it |
Confusious |
Aug-26-11 01:37 PM |
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Wait! |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-26-11 04:19 PM |
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I know the TV is now |
Confusious |
Aug-26-11 05:16 PM |
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Oh, and about manufacturing nanotubes… |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-26-11 04:31 PM |
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There's a little more involved then just the nanotubes |
Confusious |
Aug-26-11 05:24 PM |
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I see, I guess I misread you |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-27-11 12:58 PM |
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I guess I should clarify again |
Confusious |
Aug-27-11 07:37 PM |
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So, then tablesaw blades don’t count? |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-29-11 09:12 AM |
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They're just embedding rocks in their materials |
Confusious |
Aug-29-11 11:21 AM |
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No, actually, they aren’t “just embedding rocks in their materials” |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-29-11 12:12 PM |
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The scalpel is just a cut diamond |
Confusious |
Aug-29-11 12:40 PM |
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Surgery is not grinding rocks |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-29-11 12:46 PM |
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No, it's not |
Confusious |
Aug-29-11 12:51 PM |
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Nothing new |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-29-11 12:55 PM |
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They were doing that 10 years ago |
Confusious |
Aug-29-11 03:23 PM |
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Then this statement is no longer operative |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-29-11 04:08 PM |
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Good question. The most likely place is in some electronics you use.. |
PoliticAverse |
Aug-25-11 04:41 PM |
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I thought someone might say computer chips |
Confusious |
Aug-25-11 05:54 PM |
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You asked to name one thing we use in everyday life that uses nanotechnology |
Nederland |
Aug-25-11 11:19 PM |
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Sorry I'm not perfect like you |
Confusious |
Aug-26-11 01:33 PM |
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It is necessary for us to re-engineer our civilization... |
Ozymanithrax |
Aug-25-11 11:24 AM |
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We will. |
GliderGuider |
Aug-25-11 11:41 AM |
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On macro scales, I don't think species or cultures make radical changes voluntarily... |
Ozymanithrax |
Aug-25-11 02:18 PM |
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More likely, civilization will be re-engineered for us |
Terry in Austin |
Aug-28-11 09:25 PM |
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Can we not have an electric car that also recovers braking energy? |
qb |
Aug-25-11 11:32 AM |
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They already do |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-25-11 11:36 AM |
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Okay, but you missed the point |
zipplewrath |
Aug-25-11 12:15 PM |
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No I didn't miss the point |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-25-11 01:19 PM |
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18% |
zipplewrath |
Aug-25-11 01:57 PM |
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The efficiency of a coal fueled EV is about 22% |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-25-11 02:32 PM |
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Where's the gas-powered vehicle that dominates the industry currently? nt |
dmallind |
Aug-25-11 03:25 PM |
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Different efficiency calculation |
zipplewrath |
Aug-25-11 03:46 PM |
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Tank to wheels is only part of the picture |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-25-11 04:09 PM |
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That will lower auto efficiency |
zipplewrath |
Aug-25-11 04:30 PM |
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According to the chart |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-25-11 04:33 PM |
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It does because of the path |
zipplewrath |
Aug-25-11 06:56 PM |
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As I wrote in the OP |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-26-11 08:35 AM |
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It is being produced |
zipplewrath |
Aug-26-11 11:12 AM |
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Things aren’t changing that quickly |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-26-11 11:42 AM |
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That touches on the fundamental flaw in the OP |
kristopher |
Aug-26-11 02:10 PM |
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Been there done that |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Aug-27-11 11:27 AM |
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Calculating the advantages in terms of carbon emissions saved would show the true benefits |
GliderGuider |
Aug-25-11 11:44 AM |
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Some issues |
dmallind |
Aug-25-11 12:06 PM |
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Its an anti-EV article |
madokie |
Aug-25-11 12:33 PM |
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Of course its an anti-EV article |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-25-11 01:30 PM |
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Propoganda |
zipplewrath |
Aug-25-11 01:58 PM |
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With a title like that? |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-25-11 02:39 PM |
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Its a bullshit article |
madokie |
Aug-25-11 04:47 PM |
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Any books you'd like to burn while you're blacklisting this article? nt |
Confusious |
Aug-26-11 03:42 PM |
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I don't buy bullshit and this is bullshit, so is your reply to me |
madokie |
Aug-26-11 05:59 PM |
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No bullshit sir, if someone posts something |
Confusious |
Aug-26-11 06:08 PM |
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I don't care to discuss bullshit stories. Whats to be gained from discussing a pack of lie |
madokie |
Aug-26-11 08:55 PM |
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How do you know they are lies? Did you run down the numbers? |
Confusious |
Aug-26-11 09:46 PM |
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It isn't worth deep analysis |
kristopher |
Aug-26-11 11:35 PM |
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Not much deep thinking required in repeating the words of others |
Confusious |
Aug-27-11 03:05 AM |
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Economic interest? Yes, absolutely |
txlibdem |
Aug-27-11 10:06 PM |
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The batteries use massive amounts of metal |
Confusious |
Aug-25-11 04:19 PM |
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So do engines - more so. The alternative to EV is ICE, no? Steel and aluminum are metals too. nt |
dmallind |
Aug-25-11 09:44 PM |
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Yes, but iron is fairly common, no? |
Confusious |
Aug-26-11 03:41 PM |
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Nothing the author says can be accepted without independent verification |
kristopher |
Aug-26-11 06:10 PM |
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Sure, the made up bias you see |
Confusious |
Aug-26-11 06:21 PM |
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Are you a person who only thinks there can be one solution? |
dmallind |
Aug-27-11 02:24 AM |
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context? |
Confusious |
Aug-27-11 03:03 AM |
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Lithium worries are nothing to, well, worry about |
Kennah |
Sep-02-11 01:14 AM |
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The alternatives to EV and ICE |
Terry in Austin |
Aug-28-11 09:35 PM |
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How much Lithium is used in a Nissan Leaf? |
RickFromMN |
Sep-01-11 07:33 PM |
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Yikes!! I just took a look at the article itself, and one thing hit me immediately |
GliderGuider |
Aug-25-11 02:04 PM |
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I think he was just trying to put quantities in perspective |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-25-11 03:54 PM |
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Disclosure: it's by former director and major stockholder in lead-acid battery company |
kristopher |
Aug-25-11 05:08 PM |
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If he holds an interest in batteries |
Confusious |
Aug-25-11 06:11 PM |
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Lead acid batteries are going the way of the dodo with intro of EVs. |
kristopher |
Aug-25-11 06:23 PM |
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Well, lead acid is not used in electric cars |
Confusious |
Aug-25-11 06:55 PM |
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:crazy: |
kristopher |
Aug-25-11 07:31 PM |
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Well, if that is what you think you are |
Confusious |
Aug-25-11 09:08 PM |
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Rule #3 |
OKIsItJustMe |
Sep-01-11 05:36 PM |
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I found one outright lie |
Nederland |
Aug-25-11 11:41 PM |
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Uh... wrong. |
SpoonFed |
Aug-26-11 02:51 PM |
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Not wrong |
Nederland |
Aug-27-11 12:33 AM |
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yea, sure put those in your Prius. |
Confusious |
Aug-27-11 02:59 AM |
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Your ignorance is showing |
Nederland |
Aug-28-11 02:49 AM |
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A few points: |
Turbineguy |
Sep-01-11 05:24 PM |
#85 |
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