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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Different efficiency calculation
That's "well to wheels". I was quoting "Tank to wheels".
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  -It's Time To Kill The Electric Car, Drive A Stake Through Its Heart And Burn The Corpse OKIsItJustMe  Aug-25-11 11:19 AM   #0 
  - Yeah, I was thinking the same thing -- hopefully we're working  gateley   Aug-25-11 11:21 AM   #1 
  - I skipped this Edison quote from earlier in the article  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-25-11 11:26 AM   #3 
  - There are some promising batteries coming from nanotech research  PoliticAverse   Aug-25-11 11:45 AM   #8 
     - Please name me one thing we use in everyday life  Confusious   Aug-25-11 04:16 PM   #24 
        - Nanosized silver particles are used as disinfectant  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-25-11 04:31 PM   #27 
        - Nano particles are different then manufacturing nanotubes  Confusious   Aug-25-11 05:57 PM   #33 
           - How about TVs?  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-26-11 08:34 AM   #43 
           - Yea, that looks like it  Confusious   Aug-26-11 01:37 PM   #48 
              - Wait!  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-26-11 04:19 PM   #53 
                 - I know the TV is now  Confusious   Aug-26-11 05:16 PM   #55 
           - Oh, and about manufacturing nanotubes  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-26-11 04:31 PM   #54 
              - There's a little more involved then just the nanotubes  Confusious   Aug-26-11 05:24 PM   #56 
                 - I see, I guess I misread you  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-27-11 12:58 PM   #70 
                    - I guess I should clarify again  Confusious   Aug-27-11 07:37 PM   #71 
                       - So, then tablesaw blades dont count?  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-29-11 09:12 AM   #76 
                          - They're just embedding rocks in their materials  Confusious   Aug-29-11 11:21 AM   #77 
                             - No, actually, they arent just embedding rocks in their materials  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-29-11 12:12 PM   #78 
                                - The scalpel is just a cut diamond  Confusious   Aug-29-11 12:40 PM   #79 
                                   - Surgery is not grinding rocks  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-29-11 12:46 PM   #80 
                                      - No, it's not  Confusious   Aug-29-11 12:51 PM   #81 
                                         - Nothing new  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-29-11 12:55 PM   #82 
                                            - They were doing that 10 years ago  Confusious   Aug-29-11 03:23 PM   #83 
                                               - Then this statement is no longer operative  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-29-11 04:08 PM   #84 
        - Good question. The most likely place is in some electronics you use..  PoliticAverse   Aug-25-11 04:41 PM   #29 
           - I thought someone might say computer chips  Confusious   Aug-25-11 05:54 PM   #32 
              - You asked to name one thing we use in everyday life that uses nanotechnology  Nederland   Aug-25-11 11:19 PM   #41 
                 - Sorry I'm not perfect like you  Confusious   Aug-26-11 01:33 PM   #47 
  - It is necessary for us to re-engineer our civilization...  Ozymanithrax   Aug-25-11 11:24 AM   #2 
  - We will.  GliderGuider   Aug-25-11 11:41 AM   #6 
  - On macro scales, I don't think species or cultures make radical changes voluntarily...  Ozymanithrax   Aug-25-11 02:18 PM   #17 
  - More likely, civilization will be re-engineered for us  Terry in Austin   Aug-28-11 09:25 PM   #74 
  - Can we not have an electric car that also recovers braking energy?  qb   Aug-25-11 11:32 AM   #4 
  - They already do  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-25-11 11:36 AM   #5 
  - Okay, but you missed the point  zipplewrath   Aug-25-11 12:15 PM   #10 
     - No I didn't miss the point  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-25-11 01:19 PM   #12 
        - 18%  zipplewrath   Aug-25-11 01:57 PM   #14 
           - The efficiency of a coal fueled EV is about 22%  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-25-11 02:32 PM   #18 
              - Where's the gas-powered vehicle that dominates the industry currently? nt  dmallind   Aug-25-11 03:25 PM   #20 
              - Different efficiency calculation  zipplewrath   Aug-25-11 03:46 PM   #21 
                 - Tank to wheels is only part of the picture  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-25-11 04:09 PM   #23 
                    - That will lower auto efficiency  zipplewrath   Aug-25-11 04:30 PM   #26 
                       - According to the chart  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-25-11 04:33 PM   #28 
                          - It does because of the path  zipplewrath   Aug-25-11 06:56 PM   #37 
                             - As I wrote in the OP  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-26-11 08:35 AM   #44 
                                - It is being produced  zipplewrath   Aug-26-11 11:12 AM   #45 
                                - Things arent changing that quickly  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-26-11 11:42 AM   #46 
                                - That touches on the fundamental flaw in the OP  kristopher   Aug-26-11 02:10 PM   #49 
  - Been there done that  HysteryDiagnosis   Aug-27-11 11:27 AM   #69 
  - Calculating the advantages in terms of carbon emissions saved would show the true benefits  GliderGuider   Aug-25-11 11:44 AM   #7 
  - Some issues  dmallind   Aug-25-11 12:06 PM   #9 
  - Its an anti-EV article  madokie   Aug-25-11 12:33 PM   #11 
  - Of course its an anti-EV article  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-25-11 01:30 PM   #13 
     - Propoganda  zipplewrath   Aug-25-11 01:58 PM   #15 
     - With a title like that?  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-25-11 02:39 PM   #19 
     - Its a bullshit article  madokie   Aug-25-11 04:47 PM   #30 
        - Any books you'd like to burn while you're blacklisting this article? nt  Confusious   Aug-26-11 03:42 PM   #52 
           - I don't buy bullshit and this is bullshit, so is your reply to me  madokie   Aug-26-11 05:59 PM   #57 
              - No bullshit sir, if someone posts something  Confusious   Aug-26-11 06:08 PM   #58 
                 - I don't care to discuss bullshit stories. Whats to be gained from discussing a pack of lie  madokie   Aug-26-11 08:55 PM   #61 
                    - How do you know they are lies? Did you run down the numbers?  Confusious   Aug-26-11 09:46 PM   #62 
                       - It isn't worth deep analysis  kristopher   Aug-26-11 11:35 PM   #63 
                          - Not much deep thinking required in repeating the words of others  Confusious   Aug-27-11 03:05 AM   #68 
                             - Economic interest? Yes, absolutely  txlibdem   Aug-27-11 10:06 PM   #72 
  - The batteries use massive amounts of metal  Confusious   Aug-25-11 04:19 PM   #25 
     - So do engines - more so. The alternative to EV is ICE, no? Steel and aluminum are metals too. nt  dmallind   Aug-25-11 09:44 PM   #40 
     - Yes, but iron is fairly common, no?  Confusious   Aug-26-11 03:41 PM   #51 
     - Nothing the author says can be accepted without independent verification  kristopher   Aug-26-11 06:10 PM   #59 
     - Sure, the made up bias you see  Confusious   Aug-26-11 06:21 PM   #60 
     - Are you a person who only thinks there can be one solution?  dmallind   Aug-27-11 02:24 AM   #65 
     - context?  Confusious   Aug-27-11 03:03 AM   #67 
     - Lithium worries are nothing to, well, worry about  Kennah   Sep-02-11 01:14 AM   #88 
     - The alternatives to EV and ICE  Terry in Austin   Aug-28-11 09:35 PM   #75 
     - How much Lithium is used in a Nissan Leaf?  RickFromMN   Sep-01-11 07:33 PM   #87 
  - Yikes!! I just took a look at the article itself, and one thing hit me immediately  GliderGuider   Aug-25-11 02:04 PM   #16 
  - I think he was just trying to put quantities in perspective  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-25-11 03:54 PM   #22 
  - Disclosure: it's by former director and major stockholder in lead-acid battery company  kristopher   Aug-25-11 05:08 PM   #31 
  - If he holds an interest in batteries  Confusious   Aug-25-11 06:11 PM   #34 
     - Lead acid batteries are going the way of the dodo with intro of EVs.  kristopher   Aug-25-11 06:23 PM   #35 
        - Well, lead acid is not used in electric cars  Confusious   Aug-25-11 06:55 PM   #36 
           - :crazy:  kristopher   Aug-25-11 07:31 PM   #38 
              - Well, if that is what you think you are  Confusious   Aug-25-11 09:08 PM   #39 
              - Rule #3  OKIsItJustMe   Sep-01-11 05:36 PM   #86 
  - I found one outright lie  Nederland   Aug-25-11 11:41 PM   #42 
  - Uh... wrong.  SpoonFed   Aug-26-11 02:51 PM   #50 
     - Not wrong  Nederland   Aug-27-11 12:33 AM   #64 
        - yea, sure put those in your Prius.  Confusious   Aug-27-11 02:59 AM   #66 
           - Your ignorance is showing  Nederland   Aug-28-11 02:49 AM   #73 
  - A few points:  Turbineguy   Sep-01-11 05:24 PM   #85 
 

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