txlibdem
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Wed Aug-10-11 09:56 AM
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| 17. Get your eyes checked and look at the graph again, and you are looking at the chart wrong |
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The graph clearly shows an upward trend in electricity prices, perhaps too masked by seasonal ups and downs for some to follow... it only covers a 4 year span so how much of an increase do you need in order to be able to "see" it? All 4 lines are higher in 2011 than they are in 2007. Period.
As to your chart, if you look at the "Real" column you are not seeing the actual price but instead the price: "6In chained (2005) dollars, calculated by using gross domestic product implicit price deflators in Table" So it bears zero resemblance to the actual price a consumer or industrial customer would pay for electricity. The actual price you would pay is in the "Nominal" column, which shows almost a 450% increase.
PS, 1960 it was 2.6 cents, 2009 11.55 cents. Yup, I'd call that really stable (a stable increase that you could bet on that is).
We are talking about getting off the grid, that means putting money up front to avoid the inevitable price increases in the future. You're basically pre-paying for your electricity -- except at some point your electricity will be *free* 100%. You'll never get that deal from the electrical utility.
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| -A Winning (LED) Light Bulb With the Potential to Save the Nation Billions |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-09-11 06:09 PM |
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I hope they got the cost down...I have some LEDS in the kitchen. |
Historic NY |
Aug-09-11 06:12 PM |
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Electrical Company already raised our rates to take any savings we had away. |
glinda |
Aug-09-11 06:16 PM |
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Here too. Michigan's Consumers Energy announced just this morning avg. bill going up by $8 a month |
Purveyor |
Aug-09-11 06:51 PM |
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Your electric bill goes up every year or two like clockwork -- that is why so many want off the grid |
txlibdem |
Aug-09-11 07:10 PM |
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That isn't what your graph or the historical record of electric prices shows |
kristopher |
Aug-10-11 07:23 AM |
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Get your eyes checked and look at the graph again, and you are looking at the chart wrong |
txlibdem |
Aug-10-11 09:56 AM |
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Fascinating... |
kristopher |
Aug-10-11 02:06 PM |
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"Real" per the chart: "calculated by using gross domestic product implicit price deflators" |
txlibdem |
Aug-10-11 04:40 PM |
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"Real" as in a meaningful measure over time. |
kristopher |
Aug-12-11 11:17 AM |
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I don't see a price listed in the article. |
idiotgardener |
Aug-09-11 07:34 PM |
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Price, the technology and could we have had these years ago |
txlibdem |
Aug-09-11 08:51 PM |
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Thanks for the info! |
idiotgardener |
Aug-09-11 10:41 PM |
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High intensity blue LEDS weren't available before 1993. |
hunter |
Aug-10-11 10:07 AM |
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I remember it like it was yesterday (seriously, I remember who told me the news) |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-10-11 10:32 AM |
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Blue was the most difficult LED to develop IIRC |
txlibdem |
Aug-11-11 10:25 PM |
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Nor a lumens rating. |
Ready4Change |
Aug-09-11 09:47 PM |
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I haven't noticed a significant difference |
idiotgardener |
Aug-09-11 10:42 PM |
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I don't think that is true. |
kristopher |
Aug-09-11 10:58 PM |
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I share your experience with CFL lights, that's why I'm so happy LED light bulbs are finally here |
txlibdem |
Aug-10-11 07:59 AM |
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“18 months of intensive field, lab and product testing” |
OKIsItJustMe |
Aug-10-11 10:03 AM |
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I learned that the best way I can give corruption the finger. |
Firebrand Gary |
Aug-09-11 06:45 PM |
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Switch, a Florida company, will start selling their 100 watt replacement in the fall 2011 |
txlibdem |
Aug-09-11 07:46 PM |
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I think LEDs are getting ready to get a strong, unanticipated boost. |
kristopher |
Aug-09-11 10:22 PM |
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We may as well get started convincing our conservative friends, family and neighbors |
idiotgardener |
Aug-09-11 10:52 PM |
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Actually, anti-CFL propaganda may help LED adoption |
caraher |
Aug-10-11 09:30 PM |
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Just wait til the anti-LED propaganda starts. You KNOW it's coming. |
kestrel91316 |
Aug-11-11 10:39 AM |
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In truth, CFLs are their own anti-CFL propaganda campaign |
txlibdem |
Aug-11-11 10:35 PM |
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Depends on the situation. |
Nihil |
Aug-12-11 03:40 AM |
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We both have our anectodal evidence it seems |
txlibdem |
Aug-12-11 07:03 AM |
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Definitely. |
Nihil |
Aug-12-11 08:39 AM |
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I used to think that CFL would be my stepping stone till LED bulbs came down in price |
txlibdem |
Aug-12-11 10:56 PM |
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Any downsides to LED? |
dbackjon |
Aug-11-11 12:10 PM |
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I think the main issues are cost and directionality. And maybe weight. |
caraher |
Aug-11-11 09:05 PM |
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Breakage, no. Disposal, they should be recycled |
txlibdem |
Aug-11-11 09:44 PM |
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The fabrication process is far from environmentally friendly |
IDemo |
Aug-13-11 07:17 AM |
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The only valid comparison for me is equivalent lumens from a CFL, since |
kestrel91316 |
Aug-12-11 01:33 PM |
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I'd add temperature to that... |
kristopher |
Aug-12-11 03:44 PM |
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