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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Exactly right
The advantage here is that you aren't building a seperate storage system with its own generators plus whatever equipment converts the cheap energy into storage (pumps etc). It's just a tank added onto what would have been there anyway.

It's as if the Hoover Dam was called "rain power with storage"
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  -Is SolarReserve Worth Its Salt? OKIsItJustMe  Jul-05-11 12:01 PM   #0 
  - The last sentence is an important statement  txlibdem   Jul-05-11 07:53 PM   #1 
  - You are trying to perpetuate "The Baseload Myth".  kristopher   Jul-05-11 08:50 PM   #2 
  - If it weren't against rules, I'd say that sounds like a fossil fuel proponent talking point  txlibdem   Jul-05-11 09:38 PM   #3 
  - You are trying to perpetuate "The Baseload Myth"  kristopher   Jul-05-11 10:28 PM   #4 
     - I think you're misrepresenting wind's potential.  LAGC   Jul-06-11 02:31 AM   #6 
     - Be specific with your claim.  kristopher   Jul-06-11 04:22 AM   #7 
        - Storage is most efficient when it is tied to the generating source  txlibdem   Jul-06-11 05:39 PM   #16 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-06-11 06:02 PM   #18 
     - And you're trying to pretend that it IS a myth.  FBaggins   Jul-06-11 04:51 AM   #8 
     - Your link contains false information (Europe has no energy storage for its wind power). Wrong!  txlibdem   Jul-06-11 10:44 AM   #10 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-06-11 02:17 PM   #12 
           - Persuasion through personal abuse  OKIsItJustMe   Jul-06-11 02:55 PM   #15 
  - you are ignoring an important issue, cost  laser_red   Jul-06-11 08:31 PM   #19 
     - Your point isn't clear.  kristopher   Jul-06-11 09:09 PM   #21 
        - the reason so-called 'baseloads' are on all the time, ...  laser_red   Jul-06-11 11:08 PM   #23 
           - That is completely correct.  kristopher   Jul-06-11 11:12 PM   #24 
              - No... it isn't. At best it's incomplete.  FBaggins   Jul-08-11 09:20 AM   #27 
                 - Yes, it is correct.  kristopher   Jul-08-11 09:53 AM   #29 
  - Wind Energy Myth #4  OKIsItJustMe   Jul-06-11 08:26 AM   #9 
     - Why?  kristopher   Jul-06-11 02:13 PM   #11 
     - Why would you limit your inputs into the storage medium?  OKIsItJustMe   Jul-06-11 02:42 PM   #13 
        - Exactly right  FBaggins   Jul-06-11 02:50 PM   #14 
        - "In this case"  kristopher   Jul-06-11 05:59 PM   #17 
           - The current design is built around the attempt to duplicate 24/7 systems  txlibdem   Jul-06-11 08:48 PM   #20 
              - Diehard nuclear supporter loses control...  kristopher   Jul-06-11 09:12 PM   #22 
                 - You linked to your own post. Are we now to believe that you've joined the pro-nuclear camp?  txlibdem   Jul-07-11 09:23 AM   #25 
     - The "myth" that isn't a myth at all  wtmusic   Jul-08-11 11:08 AM   #30 
        - Pulling it out of your ass isn't the same as pulling it from the document.  kristopher   Jul-08-11 11:36 AM   #32 
           - You're dodging -- why not answer his questions?  txlibdem   Jul-08-11 12:43 PM   #35 
  - It's good technology. It'll work.  joshcryer   Jul-06-11 01:14 AM   #5 
  - Kick, an excellent OP  txlibdem   Jul-07-11 05:21 PM   #26 
  - Efficiency ~ 18% + Capacity factor ~ 34% = ...  wtmusic   Jul-08-11 09:42 AM   #28 
  - I wouldn't call it a "boondoggle"  FBaggins   Jul-08-11 11:25 AM   #31 
  - I think you must be talking about another project, this one gets close to 50% capacity factor  txlibdem   Jul-08-11 11:54 AM   #33 
     - Well...it's not built yet.  wtmusic   Jul-08-11 11:59 AM   #34 
        - Post #33 proves this wrong - Here's a link to calculate capacity factor  txlibdem   Jul-08-11 12:51 PM   #36 
           - True... but not entirely so.  FBaggins   Jul-08-11 01:02 PM   #37 
              - Even with half the efficiency it would be far less land use than the current oil "leases"  txlibdem   Jul-08-11 05:27 PM   #38 
              - Energy storage: the OP is about solar thermal plants that have storage, operate 24/7  txlibdem   Jul-08-11 10:19 PM   #39 
  - perhaps some kind souls could explain what this thread is about.  laser_red   Jul-08-11 10:43 PM   #40 
 

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