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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 05:59 PM
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79. Your post, in that thread, was where the conversation was deleted.
Edited on Fri Jun-17-11 06:04 PM by AtheistCrusader
It was so, due to personal attacks. I am not an admin, and do not have that power. I was too busy discussing the issue with you to worry about petty shit. We were getting somewhere on my criticism of the baseplate capacity rating of wind farms, when the thread was destroyed.

Note I have not flipped out about baseplate/actual utilization since, since I learned something from that thread.

I do not know if you were able to read my last response before it was deleted, but I had thanked you for going off-script, and sitting down and doing the math and explaining your position on that matter of what the wind turbines could produce, versus what they DO produce.


In this thread, you may notice, I compared distributed utilization to a single centralized turbine. It is power source agnostic. COULD be nuclear, sure, but it can just as easily be another heat source, like concentrating solar, or a kinetic source like hydro (unfortunatey pretty much tapped out in this country already) or stored PV/wind in various pumped energy storage means.


How you read my personal enthusiasm for a rooftop energy source like wind, into trying to cast aspersions against all of wind power, including utility level centralized wind farms, I am still puzzled. I COULD have made such a disingenious comparison, and by all means I would expect to be reamed for it, but I did not. That 'turbine' is a good deal, at that price, with that wind cut-in speed and wattage, for some people/applications (me). And my interest is not just my own personal rooftop, but things like cell towers, remote forest service areas, etc. At no time did I exhort anyone to, for example, go out and buy these for installation on every house as a solution to our energy needs. (However, coupled with things like EV's as a home battery source, tied to the grid, it's a possibly feasible item, since charge controllers will already be present in the home)

The only dissapearing posts related to me, have been in threads where personall attacks were rampant. I do sometimes alert on some posts, but it is not a regular thing. I actually have pretty thick skin. For what it's worth, I once suspected you of purposely seeding threads with personal attacks, so if it went awry, you could have it deleted by alerting, but now that I have calmed down in butting heads with you, I don't actually believe that you do that intentionally, it just is. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Edit: Part of my recent 'mellowing' on nuclear power has literally been the failure of my early predictions of how Fukushima would not go 'bad'. Fukushima is several times worse than my understanding of the plant's designs could allow, I have eaten copious amounts of crow on the subject, and am incorporating that failure into a concept that I believed from a very young age to be clean, the future, and a technically surmountable challenge in the safety department. Not an easy thing to revise.
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  -Is the scaremongering you hear from the agents of nuclear power true? kristopher  Jun-14-11 04:14 PM   #0 
  - "Without building new coal plants"  TheWraith   Jun-14-11 04:16 PM   #1 
  - Without building new coal plants period.  kristopher   Jun-14-11 04:22 PM   #3 
  - Then why are renewables SO much more expensive per KWh?  XemaSab   Jun-14-11 06:07 PM   #16 
     - They aren't when there is a legitimately accomplished comparison.  kristopher   Jun-15-11 12:21 AM   #24 
        - I guess all those new fossil plants are being built on illegitimate comparisons...  FBaggins   Jun-15-11 04:32 AM   #27 
        - You never did figure out how to read that graph, did you?  kristopher   Jun-15-11 12:23 PM   #35 
           - It isn't exactly hard to figure out. But YOU never figured out...  FBaggins   Jun-15-11 12:32 PM   #37 
              - Okay...  kristopher   Jun-15-11 12:39 PM   #38 
                 - So now you have two opinions. Congratulations  FBaggins   Jun-15-11 01:29 PM   #40 
        - Nice deflection.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-15-11 07:43 AM   #28 
           - It isn't a deflection  kristopher   Jun-15-11 12:24 PM   #36 
              - Social impact is not relevant to the question that was presented to you.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-15-11 01:19 PM   #39 
                 - Nor is it in any way an objective standard. n/t  FBaggins   Jun-15-11 01:29 PM   #41 
                 - "Calculated by author"  AtheistCrusader   Jun-15-11 01:38 PM   #42 
                    - Is there a cost analysis that isn't calculated by the author?  kristopher   Jun-15-11 01:45 PM   #45 
                       - Need source.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-15-11 02:08 PM   #47 
                       - Of course there are.  FBaggins   Jun-15-11 02:11 PM   #48 
                 - The graph also presents $$ cost comparisons. But you knew that...  kristopher   Jun-15-11 01:46 PM   #46 
                    - Cost comparisons from where?  FBaggins   Jun-15-11 02:12 PM   #49 
                    - I'm not going to say it's wrong, but I certainly can't validate it.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-15-11 02:46 PM   #50 
                       - I don't recall seeking your validation. nt  kristopher   Jun-17-11 08:55 AM   #76 
  - Talk about failure, your link does not support what you wrote.  Wilms   Jun-14-11 04:32 PM   #5 
     - They're also building 17 new coal-fired plants.  TheWraith   Jun-14-11 04:41 PM   #6 
        - Prove it.  kristopher   Jun-14-11 04:43 PM   #7 
        - Merkel: Germany needs more fossil fuel plants  Taft_Bathtub   Jun-14-11 04:57 PM   #9 
           - REad the article linked in the OP.  kristopher   Jun-14-11 05:03 PM   #11 
              - The part about the ministry not commissioning the report?  Taft_Bathtub   Jun-14-11 06:01 PM   #15 
                 - You just don't get it do you?  FBaggins   Jun-14-11 06:07 PM   #17 
                 - The part about the rightwing policies pushing both nuclear and coal and how...  kristopher   Jun-14-11 10:08 PM   #19 
        - Ya got a link, or what?  Wilms   Jun-14-11 04:57 PM   #10 
           - Wraith posted a link before but...  kristopher   Jun-14-11 05:06 PM   #13 
              - That happens from time to time.  Wilms   Jun-14-11 10:30 PM   #22 
  - How can you compare the Italian plan to the German one?  FBaggins   Jun-14-11 04:17 PM   #2 
  - Obviously you have no idea what the discussion is actually about.  kristopher   Jun-14-11 04:29 PM   #4 
     - You'll have to blame the OPer if it isn't clear.  FBaggins   Jun-14-11 05:36 PM   #14 
        - No, Baggins, I blame that on deliberate efforts to be obtuse on your part.  kristopher   Jun-14-11 10:13 PM   #20 
  - kristopher, I love your passion and idealism.  LAGC   Jun-14-11 04:48 PM   #8 
  - And I think you need a new hobby besides hectoring me.  kristopher   Jun-14-11 05:04 PM   #12 
     - Any time anyone posts anything that is remotely questioning  XemaSab   Jun-14-11 06:19 PM   #18 
        - If your intent was to de-escalate  AtheistCrusader   Jun-15-11 10:28 AM   #30 
           - There was no intention to de-escalate  kristopher   Jun-15-11 01:40 PM   #43 
           - What do you think v2g is if not a massive, expensive form of energy storage?  XemaSab   Jun-16-11 11:19 AM   #52 
              - That comment continues your erroneous view of storage  kristopher   Jun-16-11 12:16 PM   #53 
              - You might want to read this.  kristopher   Jun-17-11 12:34 AM   #74 
           - Delete duplicate  kristopher   Jun-15-11 01:41 PM   #44 
  - I guess it depends on how you define "new"  Nederland   Jun-14-11 10:25 PM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-14-11 11:07 PM   #23 
  - If there was...  Nederland   Jun-15-11 12:39 AM   #25 
  - Yeah, we're all "sock puppets" if we happen to disagree with you.  LAGC   Jun-15-11 02:17 AM   #26 
     - That's the best advice I've heard in weeks  txlibdem   Jun-15-11 08:11 AM   #29 
        - 35 foot height restriction  AtheistCrusader   Jun-15-11 10:31 AM   #31 
           - True, especially when good winds are at 50' and preferably 100' tower height  txlibdem   Jun-15-11 11:19 AM   #32 
              - Yep, going to be something like that or vertical axis solution  AtheistCrusader   Jun-15-11 11:22 AM   #33 
                 - The WT6500 has a 2mph cut-in speed  txlibdem   Jun-15-11 11:45 AM   #34 
                    - 6 grand for a 500 watt...  AtheistCrusader   Jun-16-11 10:55 AM   #51 
                       - Trying to poison the well for large-scale wind by pushing worthless rooftop systems?  kristopher   Jun-16-11 12:28 PM   #54 
                          - No, they are independent issues.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-16-11 12:39 PM   #55 
                             - My point was clear.  kristopher   Jun-16-11 02:58 PM   #62 
                                - Stop listening to the voices.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-16-11 03:30 PM   #63 
                                   - There are no "voices" just your words that you set forth...  kristopher   Jun-16-11 03:37 PM   #64 
                                      - 6 grand for that 'turbine' is VERY ATTRACTIVE.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-16-11 03:44 PM   #65 
                                      - Attractive by what standard? $1.50/kwh electricity?  kristopher   Jun-16-11 03:49 PM   #67 
                                         - Attractive by 'I have power no matter what the utility does'.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-16-11 04:10 PM   #69 
                                      - Next you'll tell me that shelling out extra money for cutting edge LED lighting is poisoning the wel  AtheistCrusader   Jun-16-11 03:48 PM   #66 
                                         - Go ahead and tug on that red herring...  kristopher   Jun-16-11 03:52 PM   #68 
                                         - Small scale wind is viable for some things.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-16-11 04:12 PM   #70 
                                            - That's what I said upthread - it has some applications.  kristopher   Jun-17-11 04:49 AM   #75 
                                               - One correction  AtheistCrusader   Jun-17-11 04:35 PM   #77 
                                                  - All you have to do is read this thread.  kristopher   Jun-17-11 05:21 PM   #78 
                                                  - Your post, in that thread, was where the conversation was deleted.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-17-11 05:59 PM   #79 
                                         - Wow! That was some back-and-forth between you two  txlibdem   Jun-16-11 05:08 PM   #71 
                                            - Frankly, I'm astounded.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-16-11 05:18 PM   #72 
                                               - Yup. Sometimes ya gotta just scratch your head and say, "Whatever."  txlibdem   Jun-16-11 06:21 PM   #73 
  - Right now Germany is importing energy  Yo_Mama   Jun-16-11 12:50 PM   #56 
  - Right now France is importing energy  kristopher   Jun-16-11 01:02 PM   #57 
  - I haven't been following Italy - it moves a little slower  Yo_Mama   Jun-16-11 01:07 PM   #58 
  - Is the scaremongering you hear from the agents of nuclear power true?  kristopher   Jun-16-11 01:18 PM   #59 
     - That's not quite accurate  Yo_Mama   Jun-16-11 01:48 PM   #60 
        - Your comment isn't "accurate"; it attempts to ignore the political situation  kristopher   Jun-16-11 02:20 PM   #61 
  - Kick  kristopher   Jul-12-11 12:46 AM   #80 
 

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