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| 107. Here's Gabbard's estimated global total radioactivity release from coal, 1937 - 2040: |
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... Thus, by combining U.S. coal combustion from 1937 (440 million tons) through 1987 (661 million tons) with an estimated total in the year 2040 (2516 million tons), the total expected U.S. radioactivity release to the environment by 2040 can be determined. That total comes from the expected combustion of 111,716 million tons of coal with the release of 477,027,320 millicuries in the United States. Global releases of radioactivity from the predicted combustion of 637,409 million tons of coal would be 2,721,736,430 millicuries ... http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colma... So, over a century, he estimates a cumulative worldwide radiological "release" (mostly in ash) under 3 x 10^6 curies Let's compare that to just a few bad days at Chernobyl, where perhaps 14 EBq (14 x 10^18 Bq) was released -- or over 3 x 10^11 curies So if we had been burning coal, at present rates, since humans first walked the planet, the coal burning wouldn't have had as much radiological impact as the Chernobyl accident. (And actually, that's simply an impossible scenario: if we burned all our coal at present rates, we'd run out in a century or two) Of course, there are plenty of good reasons to hate coal, but comparative radiological hazard isn't on the chart
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| -Union of Concerned Scientists: radioactive emissions from coal combustion higher than nuclear plants |
txlibdem |
Apr-29-11 05:49 PM |
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Thanks for posting this interesting information. You have one thing wrong, however. |
enough |
Apr-29-11 05:58 PM |
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I still have the capacity to learn, please help me to understand why |
txlibdem |
Apr-29-11 06:15 PM |
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Just watch how nonabecquerel's of uranium from Fukushima demand action... |
FBaggins |
Apr-29-11 06:04 PM |
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+1 |
txlibdem |
Apr-29-11 06:22 PM |
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"Whoops! All you anti-nukers better rethink your love of coal power plants..." |
jpak |
Apr-29-11 06:17 PM |
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What's the largest amout of tritium that has been reported released? |
FBaggins |
Apr-29-11 06:22 PM |
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Because if they counted spent fuel - "emissions" from nukes would be orders of magnitude > coal |
jpak |
Apr-29-11 06:28 PM |
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So you're going to dodge ALL of the questions? |
FBaggins |
Apr-29-11 06:32 PM |
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Uh |
SpoonFed |
Apr-30-11 04:18 PM |
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Wrong again |
FBaggins |
May-01-11 05:13 AM |
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Orders of magnitude? What a laugh! |
txlibdem |
Apr-29-11 06:59 PM |
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I doubt he knows what an "order of magnitude" is. |
PamW |
Apr-30-11 03:14 PM |
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You don't know what an order of magnitude is - do you |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 04:28 PM |
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The UCS and all of science disagrees with you |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 04:55 PM |
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I know what I'm talking about and I stand by those statements |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 05:05 PM |
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You stand by statements you don't understand. |
PamW |
Apr-30-11 05:56 PM |
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You obviously have never heard of the Energy Employees Occupational Illness Compensation Program Act |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 06:58 PM |
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6.9 is more than 44 in your mind? |
FBaggins |
May-01-11 05:22 AM |
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Yeah - all of science |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 05:54 PM |
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Except the "scientists" who are on the payroll of the Koch Bros or Big Coal |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 06:17 PM |
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Which ones are those? The ones in Fairy Tales? |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 06:59 PM |
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This may be one of your best posts yet - the one with the most intellectual content anyway |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 07:25 PM |
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WRONG!!! |
PamW |
Apr-30-11 03:11 PM |
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Wonderful, finally a sane recitation of that study... |
kristopher |
Apr-30-11 03:31 PM |
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It's fun to watch you just making crap up |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 05:20 PM |
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Couldn't disagree with you more... |
PamW |
Apr-30-11 06:07 PM |
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That's like saying a bullet isn't lethal because lead is present at ore levels in the environment |
kristopher |
Apr-30-11 06:27 PM |
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Where did you pull that one out of??? |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 07:48 PM |
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You have obviously never heard of uranium mining and milling or fuel fabrication or enrichment |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 04:46 PM |
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Why are you not counting coal mining??? |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 05:39 PM |
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I am not defending coal - only pointing out the convenient amnesia of the pronucular argument |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 05:56 PM |
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You ARE defending coal when you use a one-sided argument such as that |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 06:27 PM |
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bullshit |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 07:12 PM |
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Whatever.... |
PamW |
Apr-30-11 06:15 PM |
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The scientiifc truth? Can you say Fukushima? |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 07:02 PM |
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Can you say coal kills more people than Fukushima and Chernobyl combined |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 07:30 PM |
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Every year |
FBaggins |
Apr-30-11 07:33 PM |
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Sure - Fukushima |
PamW |
Apr-30-11 09:24 PM |
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What an ignorant post - this disaster is still unfolding |
jpak |
May-01-11 05:26 AM |
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Please provide a link to show how many deaths from Chernobyl |
txlibdem |
May-01-11 04:53 PM |
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And you know the number of excess cancer deaths that will result from this? |
jpak |
May-01-11 07:41 PM |
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And if you don't know how many... claims of hundreds of thousands is reasonable? |
FBaggins |
May-01-11 07:44 PM |
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I'm pretty sure this is the same poster who was indeed putting a high number to Fukushima deaths |
txlibdem |
May-01-11 09:45 PM |
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I have never claimed any such number |
jpak |
May-02-11 05:21 AM |
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Wiould you agree that those who do have no basis for the claim? n/t |
FBaggins |
May-02-11 05:28 AM |
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No one has made those claims |
jpak |
May-02-11 05:36 AM |
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Arnie did... and more than one poster here parroted it. |
FBaggins |
May-02-11 05:41 AM |
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Apparently it's credible to the likes of... |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 12:04 PM |
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You need to tell jpak. Not me. |
FBaggins |
May-02-11 12:36 PM |
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let me summarize a list of people you believe are credible... |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 02:29 PM |
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What an odd use of the word "summarize" |
FBaggins |
May-02-11 02:42 PM |
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hot fbags air, does not contain radiactive cesium to my knowledge |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 03:34 PM |
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Lying? nope. |
FBaggins |
May-02-11 03:39 PM |
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So you agree with Busby's figure of 400,000 cancer deaths from Fukushima? |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 02:19 PM |
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Are you calling the Union of Concerned Scientists a bunch of LIARS??? |
txlibdem |
Apr-29-11 06:25 PM |
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You have obviously not read the ORNL report - your opinions are based on ignorance |
jpak |
Apr-29-11 06:30 PM |
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Do you think the UCS has read it? n/t |
FBaggins |
Apr-29-11 06:32 PM |
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You are impervious to facts - even when they come from environmentalists |
txlibdem |
Apr-29-11 07:02 PM |
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If so - then they should be reported to the NRC... |
PamW |
Apr-30-11 03:26 PM |
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The NRC is well aware of tritium releases from US nuclear plants - you obviously are not |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 05:03 PM |
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Of course a scientist would - it is called perspective. |
PamW |
Apr-30-11 06:36 PM |
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Do you know how many thousands of nuclear workers have been compensated by the US government |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 07:11 PM |
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FAR fewer than those compensated coal miners |
FBaggins |
May-01-11 05:24 AM |
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So you admit that the nuclear fuel cycle exposes workers to levels of radiation that kills them |
jpak |
May-01-11 05:41 AM |
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Lol! So a death only counts if taxpayers pay for it? |
FBaggins |
May-01-11 05:53 AM |
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Your non-rebuttal speaks volumes - nuclear power is not safe or clean - it is lethal |
jpak |
May-01-11 06:56 AM |
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You being uncomfortable with a rebuttal... and one not existing... are not the same thing. |
FBaggins |
May-01-11 10:14 AM |
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The NRC is aware of Tritium leaks -- you should stop using it as a boogie-man |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 06:43 PM |
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How dare you |
SpoonFed |
Apr-30-11 04:14 PM |
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Yeah, the pronuclear contingent is in full ostrich denial mode |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 05:08 PM |
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Yes, but |
Turbineguy |
Apr-29-11 07:00 PM |
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That is what the coal lobby wants us all to believe anyway |
txlibdem |
Apr-29-11 07:06 PM |
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Good. You acknowledge the expertise of UCS. |
kristopher |
Apr-29-11 08:16 PM |
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I only posted the one article from them, finally admitting that coal puts out more radiation |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 07:26 AM |
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This is very, very, very OLD news, but given that it only took the Concerned "Scientists" |
NNadir |
Apr-29-11 08:31 PM |
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So DU is a hellhole to you now huh? |
madokie |
Apr-30-11 08:32 AM |
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Yeah. |
NNadir |
Apr-30-11 07:23 PM |
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How's the molten salt breeder reactor coming along? |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 07:31 PM |
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The MSRE was shutdown in 1969. Nobody is working on that technology |
PamW |
Apr-30-11 09:28 PM |
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He claimed he invented one in his backyard |
jpak |
May-01-11 05:29 AM |
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The MSRE was shutdown in 1969 (but research has continued) |
AnEngineer |
May-11-11 10:10 PM |
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Another benefit to Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor: 1000 year supply of fuel |
txlibdem |
May-12-11 07:48 AM |
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Pam's not here man |
madokie |
May-01-11 07:34 AM |
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You can say that again - it's DISGUSTING |
PamW |
Apr-30-11 09:32 PM |
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Sorry - the Fukushima apologists are disgusting and ignore ((((reality)))) |
jpak |
May-01-11 05:44 AM |
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Please bring your facts to the table -- you've said nothing of substance yet |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 07:06 AM |
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Right-wing conservative hate speech: "There's no limit to the contempt and opprobrium I have" |
bananas |
May-02-11 06:37 AM |
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You cite no facts or quotes, not even an informed opinion. Junk posts not needed here |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 07:10 AM |
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What unbelievably disgusting crap - and I'm talking about you. nt |
bananas |
May-02-11 06:39 AM |
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May-02-11 04:47 PM |
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Hey - welcome back! |
jpak |
Apr-30-11 04:22 PM |
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Well now my posts don't sound so silly do they? |
Gregorian |
Apr-29-11 08:59 PM |
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Please post more often on the topic |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 07:34 AM |
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Don't get me wrong. I'm completely opposed to nuclear. For the same reason. |
Gregorian |
Apr-30-11 12:10 PM |
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Nothing wrong with that |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 03:04 PM |
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I can think of another area of disagreement... |
SpoonFed |
Apr-30-11 04:52 PM |
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Bringing up things from an entirely different OP??? |
txlibdem |
Apr-30-11 06:14 PM |
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Your reply shows you to be a liar |
madokie |
May-01-11 07:55 AM |
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MADokie = Kris??? Now you're just making crap up, too. |
txlibdem |
May-01-11 08:53 AM |
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May-01-11 04:15 PM |
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Always the gentleman. |
FBaggins |
May-01-11 04:32 PM |
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Who rattled your chain anyway |
madokie |
May-01-11 04:37 PM |
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In the interests of a civil discussion, I'll be the better man and apologize |
txlibdem |
May-01-11 05:05 PM |
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Peace |
madokie |
May-01-11 05:19 PM |
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wow... |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 12:16 PM |
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Ha ha. Cute attempt to turn reality on its head |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 02:02 PM |
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What paranoia you ask? |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 02:52 PM |
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Par for the course: another fact-free anti-nuke post |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 03:20 PM |
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Why can't these floating cities just be hovercities? |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 04:26 PM |
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You see what I mean? |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 04:46 PM |
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hahahaahahaah n/t |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 04:49 PM |
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You make a mockery of yourself |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 05:06 PM |
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It isn't opposition, it is derision. |
kristopher |
May-02-11 05:35 PM |
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Kris says he appreciates me! OMG, I'm blushing. |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 07:14 PM |
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Here's a USGS webpage on flyash: |
struggle4progress |
Apr-30-11 07:12 PM |
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Coal is an environmental problem but uranium content is not the primary reason |
txlibdem |
May-01-11 05:29 PM |
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Exactly right. Uranium is WAY down on the list of dangers from coal |
FBaggins |
May-01-11 07:26 PM |
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Why not both at the same time? |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 12:23 PM |
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Because together they make up 2/3 of our electricity generation. |
FBaggins |
May-02-11 12:33 PM |
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It's impossible to make it simple enough for anti-nukers to grasp |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 05:19 PM |
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Laughing so hard my side hurts... |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 06:44 PM |
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Everyone is not laughing WITH you, they're laughing AT you |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 07:22 PM |
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I'll show you what's comical |
Someguyinjapan |
May-02-11 08:27 PM |
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That's a nice picture |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 08:44 PM |
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Um, yeah |
Someguyinjapan |
May-02-11 09:06 PM |
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See post #133 |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 10:49 PM |
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*Sigh* |
Someguyinjapan |
May-03-11 08:43 AM |
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you are so wrong |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 09:12 PM |
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I now support your idea... with reservations. |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 08:34 PM |
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Now we're getting somewhere |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 10:39 PM |
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The only place we've ended up... |
SpoonFed |
May-04-11 04:49 PM |
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You've made a lot of claims but provided no backup at all - should the world ignore your post? |
txlibdem |
May-04-11 05:12 PM |
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Here's Gabbard's estimated global total radioactivity release from coal, 1937 - 2040: |
struggle4progress |
May-02-11 02:50 PM |
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Thanks for the post n/t |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 06:39 PM |
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The source link you provided proves you are wrong |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 06:46 PM |
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Please please please |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 07:00 PM |
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Only because you are so special to me... |
txlibdem |
May-02-11 07:27 PM |
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Clearly you are incapable of common courtesy... |
SpoonFed |
May-04-11 04:47 PM |
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Yes, clearly our interchanges on DU have proven that "I'm the jerk" |
txlibdem |
May-04-11 05:28 PM |
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Let me just continue to correct your errors... |
SpoonFed |
May-05-11 02:56 AM |
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Your answer is in post #148 |
txlibdem |
May-05-11 09:10 PM |
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Translation... |
SpoonFed |
May-05-11 09:26 PM |
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Your post was nothing but repitition ad nauseum |
txlibdem |
May-05-11 10:20 PM |
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The Gabbard webpage at ORNL is the source of the whole discussion, and it is linked |
struggle4progress |
May-02-11 07:39 PM |
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Coal emissions into weapons...? |
SpoonFed |
May-02-11 08:05 PM |
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Coal ash consists mainly of compounds like silicates, alumina, and iron rust: |
struggle4progress |
May-03-11 12:09 AM |
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You've got your facts exactly backwards |
txlibdem |
May-03-11 07:44 AM |
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Table 2.--Comparative results for EPA-NBS interlaboratory trace element study |
struggle4progress |
May-03-11 10:01 AM |
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It depends on where the sample is taken: Uranium in coal varies from 1 to 10 ppm |
txlibdem |
May-03-11 04:15 PM |
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You stoop to putting words in my mouth, so we're done here. |
struggle4progress |
May-03-11 04:57 PM |
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If you want a crude cost estimate, the US has spent something like 5.5 trillion |
struggle4progress |
May-03-11 12:30 AM |
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That means that any oil rich nation can do it with just a few days worth of oil profits |
txlibdem |
May-03-11 07:52 AM |
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This idea's been knocking around for over a half century. ORNL looked at it in the early 1950s. |
struggle4progress |
May-04-11 09:30 AM |
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Are you willing to sign an NDA? |
SpoonFed |
May-03-11 11:09 AM |
#141 |