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abqmufc Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 10:03 PM
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62. Yeah and they said that about Hanford....N/T yourself.
Edited on Fri Mar-11-11 10:08 PM by abqmufc
Here a site for the data of Hanford releases......yeah all those people left for dead with cancer had NOTHING to worry about?

"Two grim facts underlie all the sobering information about the actual and potential harm Hanford poses to the environment.

Radioactive and chemical contamination has not and will not stay inside Hanford's boundaries.
Contamination will remain for hundreds of thousands of years beyond any memory of a place called Hanford.
What are the present threats?
1) Water Contamination
At least one third of Hanford's 177 huge high-level nuclear waste tanks, many as big as the capitol dome in Olympia, have leaked. In some areas technology from the 1950s is still being used to detect leaks, probably underestimating the extent of contamination. Almost all of the single-shell tanks are well beyond their design life, so more leaks are likely. Radioactive contaminants have reached the groundwater 200 feet below the surface and are on their way or have already reached the Columbia River (see map). In the last free-flowing US stretch of the Columbia flowing through Hanford, now the Hanford Reach National Monument, 70% of the fall chinook spawn each year. Over 300 miles of the Columbia River downstream from Hanford are threatened by the leaking tanks. The WA Department of Ecology notes that "aside from the environmental damage and health risk, the perception of the river being contaminated could devastate the market for northwest agricultural products."1

2) Atmospheric Contamination
Newspaper headlines in 1999, "Nuclear Blob Grows at Hanford,2 described a bulge in the radioactive crust on one of the huge waste tanks caused by a buildup of dangerously explosive hydrogen. While this threat was resolved, it is one of a variety of safety issues that have plagued Hanford tanks. These include flammable gasses, nuclear materials, and explosive chemicals. In 1957 in Siberia a high-level waste tank exploded, spreading a radioactive plume of 20 million curies 180 miles long, giving people estimated doses of .7 to 80 REM, and necessitating the relocation of well over 10,000 people.3 Collapsing tank domes or tank explosions that could spread radioactivity far beyond Hanford remain a genuine threat.

Fires at Hanford pose another real danger. In August 1984 and July 2000 raging sagebrush fires burned three-fifths of the Hanford area. The July 2000 fire burned three radioactive waste sites and stopped just short of some major waste sites.4 Afterwards plutonium was detected in nearby communities.

Earthquakes are an additional concern. Just a quarter mile from the Columbia River, two large swimming pool-like structures, the K-Basins, hold 80% of the DOE's stockpile of spent fuel rods. These storage basins have leaked in the past. If earthquakes cracked these structures, draining off the cooling water, the spent rods could spontaneously ignite, seriously polluting the atmosphere." /

When you consider tests on impacts where based on a white persons lifestyle and NOT the lifestyle of the 15 Tribes who used the Hanford Reach (and still today) as traditional hunting and fishing grounds, as well as gathering of herbs and medicine. Fish consumption tests were done on the average of a white person's consumption of fish....5 to 10 times less than that of a Tribal diet. Thus even the health impacts listed only look at the lower threshold and NOT the impact of Tribal peoples.......
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  - Japan invokes special law for nuclear emergencies  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 06:40 AM   #1 
  - 2800 residents being evacuated  GliderGuider   Mar-11-11 07:29 AM   #2 
  - That reported smoke from reactor building at Onagawa  AtheistCrusader   Mar-11-11 07:00 PM   #56 
  - Do you honestly believe that the nuke industry will tell us the truth  madokie   Mar-11-11 07:31 AM   #3 
  - They don't have to  Dogmudgeon   Mar-11-11 07:43 AM   #4 
  - Yes, Chernobyl was such an open book it only took 35 years...  kristopher   Mar-11-11 07:56 AM   #5 
     - But they don't want to talk about Chernobyl  madokie   Mar-11-11 08:03 AM   #6 
     - Sure, yeah a reactor with NO CONTAINMENT, disabled safety systems  AtheistCrusader   Mar-11-11 07:01 PM   #57 
        - They're both reactors  FBaggins   Mar-12-11 02:08 PM   #81 
           - See what happening in Japan right now  madokie   Mar-13-11 08:57 AM   #84 
     - Right... because Japan and the old Soviet Union are really the same thing.  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 09:01 AM   #9 
        - The common denominator here is THE NUKE INDUSTRY as a whole  madokie   Mar-11-11 09:07 AM   #11 
           - There is no such animal.  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 09:10 AM   #13 
           - No irrational paranoia here big boy  madokie   Mar-11-11 12:22 PM   #23 
              - You're an "easy guy to find"?  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 12:52 PM   #30 
                 - We're talking about the lack of honesty coming from the nuclear industry as a whole  madokie   Mar-11-11 02:19 PM   #44 
                    - There is no 'nuclear industry as a whole'.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-11-11 07:03 PM   #58 
                       - The easy sale right now would be the Westinghouse AP1000s  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 08:31 PM   #59 
                          - I hate to be making light of any aspect of this situation, but yep. Exactly right.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-11-11 09:37 PM   #60 
           - The academic term is "Iron Triangle"...(link)  abqmufc   Mar-11-11 01:05 PM   #34 
              - That's not actually the normal use for "iron triangle"  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 01:28 PM   #35 
                 - Not normal *within* the nuclear industry perhaps  kristopher   Mar-11-11 01:44 PM   #40 
                 - Nope. Everywhere but your imagination.  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 01:54 PM   #43 
                 - Perhaps you should learn to read.  kristopher   Mar-11-11 03:10 PM   #47 
                 - You're going to try to pretend that you weren't disagreeing?  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 03:56 PM   #48 
                    - Like I said, perhaps you should learn to read.  kristopher   Mar-11-11 04:13 PM   #49 
                       - You might try taking your own advice. There were TWO errors that I corrected in his post.  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 05:21 PM   #52 
                 - yeah and Ted Lowi first wrote about it....  abqmufc   Mar-11-11 10:46 PM   #67 
                 - Thanks...  abqmufc   Mar-11-11 10:18 PM   #65 
                 - The canonical example of an "Iron Triangle" is the defense industry.  GliderGuider   Mar-11-11 02:26 PM   #45 
                 - Link between nuclear power and nuclear weapons  abqmufc   Mar-11-11 10:33 PM   #66 
                    - What I've always found interesting about that linkage  GliderGuider   Mar-12-11 01:58 PM   #80 
                 - Wow just keep your blinders on then....  abqmufc   Mar-11-11 10:18 PM   #64 
  - Do you honestly believe that the "nuke insustry" is the only one with the ability to tell?  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 08:59 AM   #8 
     - Not at all  madokie   Mar-11-11 09:02 AM   #10 
     - You miss out that your paranoia is impacting your impression of reality.  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 09:08 AM   #12 
        - We still don't know the whole of it concerning TMI, Davis-Besse  madokie   Mar-11-11 12:25 PM   #24 
           - And how would I differentiate that from paranoia?  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 01:00 PM   #32 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-11-11 01:31 PM   #36 
           - That entire attack sounds like something straight from "the nuclear industry"  kristopher   Mar-11-11 04:24 PM   #50 
              - Lots of things sound like that to you.  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 06:06 PM   #53 
           - We know the truth behind TMI quite well...  PamW   Mar-12-11 01:24 PM   #78 
              - From the officials we got a white wash and not much more  madokie   Mar-12-11 05:18 PM   #83 
     - Yes as the truth of Hanford are still not fully known.  abqmufc   Mar-11-11 09:51 AM   #16 
        - You seem to misunderstand some issues of scale here.  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 10:14 AM   #18 
           - Your point is true-Risk model v. precautionary principle.  abqmufc   Mar-11-11 11:05 AM   #20 
              - 25,000 deaths annually in the US from burning coal, not one from nuclear.  wtmusic   Mar-11-11 11:16 AM   #21 
              - Coal industry keep blue collar employed is the story  abqmufc   Mar-11-11 12:29 PM   #25 
                 - Apparently there is no coal industy, you are just being paranoid.  kristopher   Mar-11-11 01:35 PM   #37 
                 - Not very good ones considering  Confusious   Mar-11-11 04:25 PM   #51 
                    - Hemp oil can replace all uses of petroleum  abqmufc   Mar-12-11 01:38 AM   #69 
                       - Is hemp legal in the US?  Confusious   Mar-12-11 03:06 AM   #70 
                          - narrow minded much?  abqmufc   Mar-12-11 04:26 AM   #74 
                             - Want to join me on a unicorn and fairy hunt?  Confusious   Mar-12-11 05:00 AM   #75 
                                - yep let's go  abqmufc   Mar-12-11 05:11 AM   #76 
              - Humans violate the PP all the time. We believe we can out-think Mother Nature.  GliderGuider   Mar-11-11 11:32 AM   #22 
  - Update 1  jpak   Mar-11-11 08:22 AM   #7 
  - Regardless of whether you support nuke energy or not...  Javaman   Mar-11-11 09:16 AM   #14 
     - Yep. Brave whether there's a real danger or not.  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 09:39 AM   #15 
     - +1  One_Life_To_Give   Mar-11-11 01:50 PM   #42 
  - Fukushima reactor is a plutothermal (MOX) facility  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 10:11 AM   #17 
  - Not really a big deal  PamW   Mar-12-11 01:30 PM   #79 
     - No doubt.  FBaggins   Mar-12-11 02:39 PM   #82 
  - Reportedly under control now.  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 10:20 AM   #19 
  - Neither CNN nor MSNBC have stated...what source? 10:15 AM MST  abqmufc   Mar-11-11 12:39 PM   #27 
     - Sorry I only read that some power had been restored  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 12:57 PM   #31 
     - More.  FBaggins   Mar-11-11 02:55 PM   #46 
  - TEPCO says pressure rises inside nuclear reactor -  jpak   Mar-11-11 12:38 PM   #26 
  - "release pressure"= release radioactive materials in the air.  abqmufc   Mar-11-11 12:41 PM   # 
  - What do you think the containment building is for? nt  Confusious   Mar-11-11 01:41 PM   #39 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-11-11 01:45 PM   #41 
     - Yeah and they said that about Hanford....N/T yourself.  abqmufc   Mar-11-11 10:03 PM   #62 
     - I think you should blame the United States Government for that  Confusious   Mar-12-11 03:13 AM   #72 
     - How's the building gone to address cooling ponds?????  abqmufc   Mar-11-11 10:55 PM   #68 
        - What???  Confusious   Mar-12-11 03:08 AM   #71 
           - Sure, here you are (article)  abqmufc   Mar-12-11 08:06 AM   #77 
  - CNN reports radioactive vapor to be released in response to pressure build up  jpak   Mar-11-11 12:41 PM   #28 
     - Two reactors have problems with cooling systems  jpak   Mar-11-11 12:43 PM   #29 
  - Well, well, well...  Terry in Austin   Mar-11-11 01:02 PM   #33 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-11-11 01:40 PM   #38 
  - This was posted on by a nuclear engineer  Merchant Marine   Mar-11-11 06:37 PM   #54 
  - Radiation 1000 times normal at one Japan nuke plant; pressure release ordered  jpak   Mar-11-11 06:38 PM   #55 
     - Let's do the time warp agaaaaaain  AtheistCrusader   Mar-11-11 09:38 PM   #61 
     - What a deceptive post title  Nederland   Mar-11-11 10:10 PM   #63 
        - Fear  Confusious   Mar-12-11 03:16 AM   #73 

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