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Thu Feb-24-11 05:47 PM
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| 10. Hybrid vehicles do not equal electric vehicles -- hybrids NEED oil |
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Edited on Thu Feb-24-11 05:48 PM by txlibdem
They do not move an inch without oil. Your link has just disproved your statement. "hybrid technology to more than double the fuel economy commonly available today" http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/technologies_and_f... Hah! Hybrids are a farce, and a marketing gimmick, nothing more. That the UCS endorses them proves my point that they have no ability to see anything but what the fossil fuel industry (probably) pays them to see. |
| -Union of Concerned Scientists: Nuke Subsidies Exceed Value of Electricity Produced |
kristopher |
Feb-24-11 11:23 AM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Feb-24-11 11:24 AM |
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K&R |
FiveGoodMen |
Feb-24-11 11:29 AM |
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I'm sure glad renewables are all built on private land with private money! |
XemaSab |
Feb-24-11 12:25 PM |
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Subsidies are supposed to be temporary |
kristopher |
Feb-24-11 12:43 PM |
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XemaSab |
Feb-24-11 01:01 PM |
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Is "growing wheat" an emerging technology? |
jberryhill |
Feb-24-11 02:57 PM |
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What's your point? |
kristopher |
Feb-24-11 04:47 PM |
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Hah! Union of Concerned Scientists lost all credibility when the went anti-electric cars |
txlibdem |
Feb-24-11 05:11 PM |
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Similarities in viewpoints? |
kristopher |
Feb-24-11 05:42 PM |
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Hybrid vehicles do not equal electric vehicles -- hybrids NEED oil |
txlibdem |
Feb-24-11 05:47 PM |
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You just hate them because they are a strong voice against nuclear power. |
kristopher |
Feb-24-11 05:51 PM |
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Your words ring hollow |
txlibdem |
Feb-24-11 06:06 PM |
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Typical tactic from a nuclear supporter. |
kristopher |
Feb-24-11 06:13 PM |
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Long, boring post that has no bearing on the topic -- tactic? |
txlibdem |
Feb-25-11 06:44 AM |
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The attacks on UCS are part of the Republican War on Science. nt |
bananas |
Mar-01-11 09:43 AM |
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+1 |
kristopher |
Mar-05-11 03:01 PM |
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Where have you been? txlibdem has been talking up solar and wind for awhile. |
joshcryer |
Feb-25-11 10:11 PM |
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A hearty thank you |
txlibdem |
Feb-25-11 11:03 PM |
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Though we may disagree on some of the--ahem--PARTICULARS |
XemaSab |
Feb-25-11 11:57 PM |
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This book was written before... |
kristopher |
Feb-26-11 12:24 AM |
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Stopping a nuclear power plant causes more coal plants: "That is true" |
txlibdem |
Feb-26-11 06:42 AM |
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You are merely following the nuclear industry playbook... |
kristopher |
Feb-26-11 02:45 PM |
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You are merely following the coal industry playbook |
txlibdem |
Feb-26-11 03:39 PM |
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Since the stakeholders for nuclear and coal are virtually identical |
kristopher |
Feb-26-11 03:51 PM |
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You've written that a dozen times. Isn't it time you provided even a shred of proof? |
txlibdem |
Feb-26-11 04:42 PM |
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There is one reason to support nuclear |
kristopher |
Feb-26-11 05:24 PM |
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With the SMR, small to medium-sized reactors that are mass produced that is the truth |
txlibdem |
Feb-26-11 05:37 PM |
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WE DO NOT HAVE SMALL MODULAR REACTORS |
kristopher |
Feb-26-11 05:50 PM |
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Westinghouse is making them, will start as soon as NRC approval |
txlibdem |
Feb-26-11 09:55 PM |
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No applications for SMRs have been made to the NRC |
kristopher |
Mar-05-11 01:14 PM |
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I just don't grok where you're coming from |
XemaSab |
Feb-26-11 10:12 PM |
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Because your statements are wrong. |
kristopher |
Mar-05-11 01:12 PM |
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You are CORRECT, of course... |
PamW |
Mar-06-11 07:26 PM |
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No she isn't |
kristopher |
Mar-07-11 12:16 PM |
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Usual flotsam from the usual source |
PamW |
Mar-07-11 11:11 PM |
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I'm familiar with the report, and your claims are false. |
kristopher |
Mar-08-11 10:27 AM |
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Oh for Pete's sake.... |
PamW |
Mar-08-11 09:13 PM |
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You are free to provide a proper citation and to provide precise quotes from the text |
kristopher |
Mar-08-11 09:36 PM |
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My Heart Burns |
Fledermaus |
Feb-24-11 06:51 PM |
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Apparently, none of the "scientists" can do math. |
NNadir |
Feb-24-11 11:32 PM |
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UCS can and do "do math" -- the math of how much they are being paid to support coal and fossil fuel |
txlibdem |
Feb-25-11 06:53 AM |
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I respectfully disagree. The "scientists" can't do math. |
NNadir |
Feb-25-11 09:31 PM |
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The amount is cumulative and distributed. |
kristopher |
Feb-25-11 09:39 PM |
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Oooh. Pretty chart. That will distract us from the facts and the dollar values involved. |
txlibdem |
Feb-25-11 11:07 PM |
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I already saw the dumb graph. It has nothing to do with reality. |
NNadir |
Feb-26-11 01:47 AM |
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All your claims show is that you are the one that is, how do you like to put it...? |
kristopher |
Feb-26-11 02:28 PM |
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Um, um, um... |
NNadir |
Feb-26-11 03:25 PM |
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Um, um, um yourself... |
kristopher |
Feb-26-11 03:32 PM |
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Facts are not to be found in that UCS hit piece |
txlibdem |
Feb-26-11 03:47 PM |
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So the entrenched energy industries behind the nuclear industry are to be trusted |
kristopher |
Feb-26-11 03:54 PM |
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Here's a hint: google the term Astroturf and you'll have your answer |
txlibdem |
Feb-26-11 04:48 PM |
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Everyone but the nuclear industry disagrees with you. |
kristopher |
Feb-26-11 05:20 PM |
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Making stuff up again? |
txlibdem |
Feb-26-11 05:45 PM |
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You are the one making the claim, you prove it. |
kristopher |
Feb-26-11 05:56 PM |
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You are being purposefully obtuse |
txlibdem |
Feb-26-11 10:17 PM |
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Hansen calls them the Union of Concerned Lobbiests. |
joshcryer |
Feb-25-11 10:13 PM |
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The ARE "lobbiests" (known by literates as lobbyists). |
kristopher |
Feb-26-11 03:40 PM |
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They bring the best science? |
txlibdem |
Feb-26-11 04:51 PM |
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And your proof of that is... |
kristopher |
Feb-26-11 05:23 PM |
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So you're pitting "our" paid spokesperson against the fossil fuels' paid spokesmodel? |
txlibdem |
Feb-26-11 09:35 PM |
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Yes, the paper in question wasn't even authored by a scientist. Thus Hansen's criticism. |
joshcryer |
Mar-01-11 05:13 AM |
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Economics is considered a social science, so it was authored by a scientist. |
bananas |
Mar-01-11 09:41 AM |
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Economics is the most subjective bullshit in all fields of study. |
joshcryer |
Mar-05-11 09:00 PM |
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Areas where nuclear industry recieved quanifiable subsidies |
kristopher |
Feb-25-11 08:03 PM |
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Same old pack of lies from the UCS |
PamW |
Feb-28-11 10:43 PM |
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LOL - "Those scientists aren't scientists!!!" |
bananas |
Mar-01-11 11:27 AM |
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LOL to the person trying to rofl at the truth - truth hurts? |
txlibdem |
Mar-05-11 11:10 AM |
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Kick for the grumpy pooch. |
kristopher |
Mar-04-11 11:50 PM |
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It's wrong to kick your own OP, especially a weeks-old dead one |
txlibdem |
Mar-05-11 11:05 AM |
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UCS is one of the best NGOs out there. |
kristopher |
Mar-05-11 01:16 PM |
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It is interesting and informative that the totality of criticism directed at the OP |
kristopher |
Mar-05-11 03:45 PM |
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Another paper by Koplow (authored OP study) on fossil fuel subsidies and GHG emissions |
kristopher |
Mar-05-11 05:27 PM |
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2007 DOE numbers |
Confusious |
Mar-06-11 01:24 AM |
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That is an obvious exercise in cherry-picking on behalf of a rightwing industry |
kristopher |
Mar-07-11 11:23 AM |
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Those were 2007 numbers, not 1957 to 1997. |
Confusious |
Mar-07-11 12:48 PM |
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Kick. |
kristopher |
Apr-01-11 08:47 PM |
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