Tesha
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Wed Jan-19-11 02:00 PM
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| 41. A clarification about X-10... |
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All CFLs work fine on X-10 "appliance modules" (the ones
that have the relay in them).
Dimmable CFLs work fine on X-10 "lamp modules" (the ones
with the Triac switch).
Even ordinary non-dimmable CFLs work okay on lamp modules
but *YOU* have to remember not to try dimming them; attempting
to dim them more than one or two steps may produce too-high
peak currents in the input rectifier/filter of the CFL.
CFLs may be problematic for X-10 wall switch lamp controls for
the reason I cited in another reply: the "sneak path" current through
a wall switch module that doesn't have a connection to the neutral
wire can cause the CFL to flicker while it is supposed to be "off".
But within these constraints, X-10 and CFLs coexist fine.
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| -The New Light Bulbs Lose a Little Shine |
phantom power |
Jan-19-11 10:55 AM |
#0 |
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I put two brand new $6.00 bulbs |
itsrobert |
Jan-19-11 11:02 AM |
#1 |
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Could be the location of the photo-sensor |
lfairban |
Jan-19-11 05:02 PM |
#49 |
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Can use a normal photo sensor w/ CFL. As you discovered they will kill them. |
Statistical |
Jan-20-11 04:00 PM |
#67 |
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I tried/used them in my bathroom - no more |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-19-11 11:15 AM |
#2 |
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And they don't put out useful heat. nt |
Maine_Nurse |
Jan-19-11 11:29 AM |
#4 |
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Actually, they get quite hot |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-19-11 11:39 AM |
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Glass gets brittle"??? |
Tesha |
Jan-19-11 11:52 AM |
#13 |
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Sorry I don't have a link |
madmax |
Jan-19-11 12:08 PM |
#18 |
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Oh, there've been incidents of CFL integrated ballasts catching fire. |
Tesha |
Jan-19-11 12:23 PM |
#24 |
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Thanks for clarifying. |
madmax |
Jan-19-11 01:25 PM |
#32 |
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Cite one yourself for your claim that it's "ridiculous" |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-19-11 12:36 PM |
#28 |
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As you well know, I can't cite instance of occurrences that don't occur. |
Tesha |
Jan-19-11 01:41 PM |
#39 |
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Tesha, you amaze me |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-19-11 06:05 PM |
#53 |
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I can corroborate. I have had them break too. |
InvisibleTouch |
Jan-19-11 08:01 PM |
#61 |
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Happened to me |
wtmusic |
Jan-20-11 04:43 PM |
#69 |
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I got some of the originals that came out in the late 90s early 2000s and one *blew up* on me. |
joshcryer |
Jan-20-11 09:42 PM |
#75 |
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Not heating kind of hot, unfortunately |
Maine_Nurse |
Jan-19-11 12:13 PM |
#21 |
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For the living room, buy a higher-wattage CFL. |
Tesha |
Jan-19-11 11:50 AM |
#12 |
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Tell you what, I'll just buy a reguar wattage regular bulb. |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-19-11 12:38 PM |
#30 |
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Sure -- burn three to four times the electricity. |
Tesha |
Jan-19-11 01:38 PM |
#37 |
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Yeah! |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-19-11 01:39 PM |
#38 |
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"We can always make more electricity." |
Statistical |
Jan-21-11 08:56 AM |
#82 |
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Between the short lifespan, the abysmal light quality, the mercury and the switching power supply |
GliderGuider |
Jan-19-11 11:22 AM |
#3 |
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And that Nuclear electricity you buy is "too cheap to meter!" anyway, right? |
Tesha |
Jan-19-11 11:54 AM |
#14 |
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The problem is that there's more to the life cycle than the electricity. |
GliderGuider |
Jan-19-11 12:03 PM |
#17 |
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So how was the mercury in the CFL affecting you... |
Tesha |
Jan-19-11 12:25 PM |
#25 |
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Mercury is a neurotoxin, of course. |
GliderGuider |
Jan-19-11 12:37 PM |
#29 |
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And the mercury in CFLs is "captured" within a sealed glass tube. |
Tesha |
Jan-19-11 01:37 PM |
#36 |
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Not sure what your issue is? |
GliderGuider |
Jan-19-11 02:09 PM |
#42 |
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You're so much nicer than I |
Cronus Protagonist |
Jan-19-11 05:58 PM |
#52 |
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As my sainted mother used to say |
GliderGuider |
Jan-19-11 07:16 PM |
#56 |
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Amazing I changed all ours out three or four years ago and have replaced two |
madokie |
Jan-19-11 03:46 PM |
#46 |
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It could be that the duty cycle on mine has been too short |
GliderGuider |
Jan-19-11 04:05 PM |
#48 |
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You have to stop the "turn off the switch" behavior when you leave a room with CFLs. |
joshcryer |
Jan-19-11 07:24 PM |
#58 |
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That's very very odd, I'm going on 4 years for my latest batch. I figure 5 years is reasonable. |
joshcryer |
Jan-19-11 07:21 PM |
#57 |
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I use them, and they last a reasonable amount of time... |
InvisibleTouch |
Jan-19-11 11:29 AM |
#5 |
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Disposal of CFL bulbs -- Home Depot takes them |
txlibdem |
Jan-19-11 11:55 AM |
#15 |
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That's great to know, thanks!! n/t |
InvisibleTouch |
Jan-19-11 07:56 PM |
#60 |
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Some CFLs do wear out faster than expected |
LiberalEsto |
Jan-19-11 11:34 AM |
#6 |
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I hate the quality of light from the CFL |
liberal N proud |
Jan-19-11 11:37 AM |
#7 |
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So use a halogen lamp for reading. |
joshcryer |
Jan-20-11 06:05 PM |
#72 |
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The "daylight" CFLs are also good for that if you want a bright room. |
Nihil |
Jan-21-11 04:10 AM |
#79 |
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glad I'm not the only one |
Kali |
Jan-19-11 11:42 AM |
#9 |
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How far is it to the nearest Home Depot/Lowes/etc.? |
Tesha |
Jan-19-11 12:02 PM |
#16 |
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thanks! |
Kali |
Jan-19-11 12:10 PM |
#20 |
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I have 40 burnt out CFL's in a bag waiting to go to the e-waste dump |
tularetom |
Jan-19-11 11:43 AM |
#10 |
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The article suggests to me that the bulbs are saving energy. |
hedgehog |
Jan-19-11 11:48 AM |
#11 |
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The porch light... |
Tesha |
Jan-19-11 12:19 PM |
#23 |
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CFLs do not last in dimmer switches |
txlibdem |
Jan-19-11 12:53 PM |
#31 |
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I hope this accelerates the development of better LED options. |
qb |
Jan-19-11 12:09 PM |
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I'm waiting for the LEDs myself. Right now there are some out there, |
hedgehog |
Jan-19-11 01:34 PM |
#34 |
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LED Christmas lights mostly use cheap "half-wave" rectifier circuits and... |
Tesha |
Jan-19-11 01:44 PM |
#40 |
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Thanks! I didn't know about that! |
hedgehog |
Jan-19-11 02:24 PM |
#43 |
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I've got some full-wave commercial grade LED Christmas lights... |
hunter |
Jan-19-11 05:42 PM |
#51 |
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2012 will be the year of the LED bulbs |
txlibdem |
Jan-19-11 07:00 PM |
#54 |
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Thanks for the info! I'll keep my eyes open. |
qb |
Jan-19-11 07:03 PM |
#55 |
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Here's a look at some of the issues with CFLs |
GliderGuider |
Jan-19-11 12:19 PM |
#22 |
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He's got several things wrong in his post |
jeff47 |
Jan-19-11 12:30 PM |
#27 |
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CFLs do not work well everywhere |
jeff47 |
Jan-19-11 12:27 PM |
#26 |
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Buying extra for spares isn't an issue |
localroger |
Jan-19-11 01:26 PM |
#33 |
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Don't have time to look it up right now, but I read that the mercury |
hedgehog |
Jan-19-11 01:35 PM |
#35 |
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It depends on the amount of coal in your local generation mix |
GliderGuider |
Jan-19-11 02:37 PM |
#45 |
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A clarification about X-10... |
Tesha |
Jan-19-11 02:00 PM |
#41 |
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Lamp modules are quite picky |
localroger |
Jan-21-11 11:14 AM |
#87 |
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CFLs |
arachadillo |
Jan-19-11 02:25 PM |
#44 |
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Well, I am perplexed |
Kennah |
Jan-19-11 03:58 PM |
#47 |
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Still, low watt light bulbs are generally a good idea. |
NNadir |
Jan-19-11 05:15 PM |
#50 |
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That was a nice non-ranty personal story, thanks for it. |
joshcryer |
Jan-19-11 07:33 PM |
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They don't seem to last in areas where they are turned on & off often |
Kaleva |
Jan-19-11 09:14 PM |
#62 |
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Correct me if I am wrong, but... |
Elasg |
Jan-20-11 01:41 PM |
#66 |
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They did but are much cheaper |
Kaleva |
Jan-20-11 04:41 PM |
#68 |
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A 5 minute on off cycle simple reduces their life by half. |
joshcryer |
Jan-20-11 06:01 PM |
#71 |
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Thanks! |
Kaleva |
Jan-20-11 09:14 PM |
#73 |
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I use power strips, basically, when I go to sleep, I switch them off. |
joshcryer |
Jan-20-11 09:45 PM |
#76 |
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Casting my mind back to previous episodes of this discussion ... |
Nihil |
Jan-20-11 03:57 AM |
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$40 for an LED light bulb seems like way too much to pay --or is it? |
txlibdem |
Jan-20-11 10:51 AM |
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One thing to watch out about LED is the wattage comparison. |
Statistical |
Jan-20-11 09:20 PM |
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It's actually the Lumens that needs comparing |
txlibdem |
Jan-20-11 10:07 PM |
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LUMEN!!! That is it. Yeah some serious deceptive marketing going on. |
Statistical |
Jan-20-11 10:46 PM |
#78 |
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As with all products, you need to become an expert to avoid ripoffs |
txlibdem |
Jan-21-11 07:32 AM |
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Well if/when there is a $40 800 lumens LED that is a game changer. |
Statistical |
Jan-21-11 07:39 AM |
#81 |
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Moore's Law |
txlibdem |
Jan-21-11 03:38 PM |
#89 |
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Cost of LEDs |
arachadillo |
Jan-21-11 06:09 PM |
#91 |
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You're talking about Rick Perry's $25 bn deficit, none of the RW pundits talk about that |
txlibdem |
Jan-21-11 10:34 PM |
#93 |
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Those things are horrible for the migraine prone |
freeplessinseattle |
Jan-20-11 12:11 PM |
#65 |
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Seems like mine last about half as long as incandescant. |
JohnWxy |
Jan-20-11 04:43 PM |
#70 |
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I notice no one ask if their local Utilities has problems with wattage? |
happyslug |
Jan-21-11 09:03 AM |
#83 |
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If someone does have a lot of bad surges in the area a whole house surge protector is a good idea. |
Statistical |
Jan-21-11 10:18 AM |
#85 |
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Surge protectors only work to a limited degree |
happyslug |
Jan-21-11 03:53 PM |
#90 |
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Why CFLs are important |
GliderGuider |
Jan-21-11 09:50 AM |
#84 |
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What do you think... |
phantom power |
Jan-21-11 10:22 AM |
#86 |
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"Solving the problem" |
GliderGuider |
Jan-21-11 11:51 AM |
#88 |
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I bought some California subsidized bulbs a few months ago. 2 have burned out already. |
Kablooie |
Jan-21-11 08:52 PM |
#92 |
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