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CRH Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:12 PM
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11. I'm not sure I can buy into, ...
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 03:22 PM by CRH
being driven to over consumption by patterns long establish in evolutionary history.

For me that separates our responsibility from choice. My grand parents lived very simple lives not controlled by desire, but rather shaped by needs. When offered frivolous materialism, they instead preferred frugal, they saved for rainy days.

It was a generation that passed on sayings like, 'If you are honest, you work hard, and you take good care of your family; you might not have everything you want, but you will always have everything you need.' It was a different philosophy, never devoid of choice and consequence.

In 2001 shortly after 'the election', I began to be more activist. I became more political. I studied climate change and Kyoto, I became aware of peak oil and its potential future impact, I became aware of the population paradigm that cascaded in a century beyond sustainable numbers; and I shouted to anyone who would listen, I wrote letters to the editor, letters to congress persons, and talked to friends and relatives. In the end the general apathy of everyone had a profound and very depressing effect upon my health, both physical and mental. I was a very depressed and numbed person.

Then one day I decided, what others did or didn't do was out of my control, but what I did was not. Through different choices, I altered my lifestyle to best align my needs with reduced consumption as near as possible to the 4 hectare level. I do not suffer from these changes, and in fact I am more content. What I'm trying to say is, when egotism and desire take a back seat to individual and the collective need, life becomes much more simple with less energy. All that stands in anyone's way, is choice.

Probably my largest personal evolution, was learning to accept the probable end game of organized society as we know it today, and not mourn a fools demise, or suffer from a fools errand.

Enough rambling.
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  - Yeah ... the people in the trenches always know  The Traveler   Jan-16-11 09:41 PM   #2 
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  - Follow the links if you  The Traveler   Jan-17-11 12:15 AM   #5 
     - I agree...  MrMickeysMom   Jan-17-11 08:38 AM   #7 
        - I right with ya, buddy!  The Traveler   Jan-17-11 09:13 PM   #16 
  - The Deialists will be denying reality even as they drown.  Odin2005   Jan-16-11 11:43 PM   #4 
  - Well, at least they can do one thing well  The Traveler   Jan-17-11 12:17 AM   #6 
  - Kick for one of the better compilations of bad news in recent memory  GliderGuider   Jan-17-11 11:53 AM   #8 
  - Thanks for the kick  The Traveler   Jan-17-11 09:14 PM   #17 
  - Confirms years of concern, ...  CRH   Jan-17-11 01:35 PM   #9 
  - Most people literally cannot see it coming.  GliderGuider   Jan-17-11 01:47 PM   #10 
  - I'm not sure I can buy into, ...  CRH   Jan-17-11 03:12 PM   #11 
     - It sounds like we're on parallel paths.  GliderGuider   Jan-17-11 03:35 PM   #12 
        - All points well received, ...  CRH   Jan-17-11 04:23 PM   #13 
           - The problem with finding empathic leadership  GliderGuider   Jan-17-11 04:58 PM   #14 
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                    - I find there is little I am absolutely certain of, ...  CRH   Jan-22-11 09:13 PM   #28 
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     - So kind of you.  guardian   Jan-18-11 02:26 PM   #21 
        - .  stuntcat   Jan-18-11 03:05 PM   #22 
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