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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 10:24 AM
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10. Graham is an ass but a bill is better than no bill and Graham is a necessary evil to get 60 votes.
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 10:28 AM by Statistical
There will be no reconciliation route for Climate Change Bill. Even if you assume 95% Democratic support (not going to get votes in coal country or from all Blue Dogs) that means 6-8 Republicans are needed. Reality of the situation and it is unlikely to change in our favor in 2010.

The bill is weak, $25 per ton of carbon isn't high enough but it is a lot better than $0.00 per ton of carbon.

Even more important it shows utilities that carbon is no longer free. It provides them a glimpse into the future. Yeah it might only be $25 in 2013 but it will likely go up and up and up. Not only will fossil fuel prices continue to rise but carbon prices rising creates a one two punch of fossil fuel powered thermal plants. Utilities are long term planners. $25 per ton carbon today likely mean $100 - $200 per ton carbon by the time a plant built today reached end of life.

Without the bill we push the ball down the court until after the elections and if the elections go against us the bill in 2011 may be weaker than the one we could pass right now. So a delay for an even weaker bill.

Reid totally fucked this one up and it shows where his priorities are (not with climate change).
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  -Did Lindsey Graham sink the climate bill? wtmusic  Apr-27-10 09:16 AM   #0 
  - If climate bill might put restrictions on corporations....  havocmom   Apr-27-10 09:24 AM   #1 
  - Me too.  ananda   Apr-27-10 09:28 AM   #2 
  - Interesting takes. I heard a lot of speculation about Reid and immigration reform yesterday,  pinto   Apr-27-10 09:35 AM   #3 
  - The sad thing is this will just empower the far right (do nothing) portion of Republican party.  Statistical   Apr-27-10 09:55 AM   #4 
  - No flames here.  wtmusic   Apr-27-10 10:01 AM   #5 
     - The pesmimist in me says Reid will barely eeke out a win. n/t  Statistical   Apr-27-10 10:10 AM   #6 
        - Republicans could conceivably turn Yucca into a negative for Harry  wtmusic   Apr-27-10 10:17 AM   #8 
        - I agree that Reid pushing immigration was folly but disagree that Reid should lose in November*  Kolesar   Apr-27-10 10:20 AM   #9 
           - The pronuclear folks want Reid out because he got Obama to finally closed Yucca Mtn. nt  kristopher   Apr-27-10 10:38 AM   #12 
              - Nevada should reelect him to show their gratitude...eom  Kolesar   Apr-27-10 11:42 AM   #16 
  - Except that Grahm did the same thing on coopertion over an immigration bill  kristopher   Apr-27-10 10:13 AM   #7 
     - Graham is an ass but a bill is better than no bill and Graham is a necessary evil to get 60 votes.  Statistical   Apr-27-10 10:24 AM   #10 
        - He was never going to break with the Repubs anyway. Health care redux.  kristopher   Apr-27-10 10:36 AM   #11 
           - Health care is different than energy. It isn't an either or proposition.  Statistical   Apr-27-10 10:41 AM   #13 
              - "Graham is a big supporter of nuclear power" - Of course he is, he is a REPUBLICAN.  kristopher   Apr-27-10 11:13 AM   #14 
                 - Nuclear power has bipartisan support.  Statistical   Apr-27-10 11:24 AM   #15 
                    - That presentation of data is not the sentiment that the underlying poll reveals  kristopher   Apr-27-10 12:10 PM   #17 
                       - Majority of Democrats support nuclear power.  Statistical   Apr-27-10 12:13 PM   #18 
                          - Repeating it doesn't make it true  kristopher   Apr-27-10 12:24 PM   #19 
                             - "Repeating it doesn't make it true"  Statistical   Apr-27-10 12:26 PM   #20 
                                - Show any properly worded poll that supports your assertion - you can't.  kristopher   Apr-27-10 01:47 PM   #21 
                                   - So more people support building nuclear reactors than oppose it.  Statistical   Apr-27-10 02:03 PM   #22 
                                      - Which shows increased concerns about energy security, not ...  kristopher   Apr-27-10 02:07 PM   #23 
                                         - Regardless of the rational the support remains.  Statistical   Apr-27-10 02:12 PM   #24 

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