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14. One year doesn't make a trend. You sound like a climate denalist.
While capacity did decline in 2009 nuclear still represents a magnitude more power than wind/solar. Even if nuclear continued to decline it would take decades for wind/solar to achieve that level of capacity.

Also capacity isn't what matters. Generation is what matters. PV solar average capacity factor is slightly higher at 17%. Wind global average capacity factor is lower at 26%.

So even if "someday" wind & solar combined had capacity equal to nuclear reactors they would still output about about 1/3rd to 1/4th the energy nuclear reactors provide (depending on wind/solar split).

There is nothing wrong with wind and solar. Only one pro-nuclear person on the board constantly trashed them. We need all forms of emission free energy. What matters is total emission free energy. IF the roughly 400GW declined to 0 that is a whole of 400GW that needs to be replaced just to get us back to where we are today.

Nuclear reactors currently under construction with completion in next 4 years.

2010 Completion (7.6 GW)
India, NPCIL Kaiga 4 PHWR 202MW
India, NPCIL Rawatbhata 6 PHWR 202MW
Iran, AEOI Bushehr 1 PWR 950MW
Russia, Energoatom Rostov 2 PWR 950MW
India, NPCIL Kudankulam 1 PWR 950
Canada, Bruce Power Bruce A1 PHWR 769MW
Canada, Bruce Power Bruce A2 PHWR 769MW
Korea, KHNP Shin Kori 1 PWR 1000MW
China, CGNPC Lingao II-2 PWR 1080MW
Argentina, CNEA Atucha 2 PHWR 692MW

2011 Completion (8.0 GW)
India, NPCIL Kudankulam 2 PWR 950
India, NPCIL Kalpakkam FBR 470
Taiwan Power Lungmen 1 ABWR 1300
Russia, Energoatom Kalinin 4 PWR 950
Korea, KHNP Shin Kori 2 PWR 1000
China, CNNC Qinshan 4-1 PWR 650
China, CGNPC Lingao 2-1 PWR 1080
Pakistan, PAEC Chashma 2 PWR 300
Japan, Chugoku Shimane 3 PWR 1375

2012 Completion (9.9 GW)
Finland, TVO Olkiluoto 3 PWR 1600
China, CNNC Qinshan 4-2 PWR 650
Taiwan Power Lungmen 2 ABWR 1300
Korea, KHNP Shin Wolsong 1 PWR 1000
France, EdF Flamanville 3 PWR 1630
Russia, Energoatom Vilyuchinsk PWRx2 70
Russia, Energoatom Novovoronezh II-1 PWR 1070
Slovakia, SE Mochovce 3 PWR 440
China, CGNPC Hongyanhe 1 PWR 1080
China, CGNPC Ningde 1 PWR 1080

2013 Completion (13.1 GW)
China, CNNC Sanmen 1 PWR 1100
China, CGNPC Ningde 2 PWR 1080
Korea, KHNP Shin Wolsong 2 PWR 1000
USA, TVA Watts Bar 2 PWR 1180
Russia, Energoatom Leningrad II-1 PWR 1070
Korea, KHNP Shin Kori 3 PWR 1350
China, CGNPC Yangjiang 1 PWR 1080
China, CGNPC Taishan 1 PWR 1700
China, CNNC Fangjiashan 1 PWR 1000
China, CNNC Fuqing 1 PWR 1000
China , CGNPC Hongyanhe 2 PWR 1080
Slovakia, SE Mochovce 4 PWR 440
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  -Global 2009 PV installations up +7.3 GW, 2009 global wind +37.5 GW, 2009 net nuclear -1.4 GW jpak  Apr-17-10 12:09 PM   #0 
  - Soooo....  malakai2   Apr-17-10 12:45 PM   #1 
  - Sooo.....the other lame anti-renewable red herring argument shows its dumb ass.  jpak   Apr-17-10 01:06 PM   #2 
     - Right you are. Renewables CAN dominate the energy market.  Dogmudgeon   Apr-17-10 05:38 PM   #7 
        - Here in Maine, renewables account for 50% of electricity production, not counting the new wind farms  jpak   Apr-17-10 05:48 PM   #8 
        - Show us even one analysis that predicts nuclear as anything but a marginal player  kristopher   Apr-17-10 07:16 PM   #9 
           - There are two analysis results, one is "not happening" and the other is "wait and see."  joshcryer   Apr-17-10 09:00 PM   #11 
              - So we go to the industry sales site and the BEST case is  kristopher   Apr-17-10 09:17 PM   #12 
                 - Uh, if the answer is "it's viable" then the "half a trillion" is misleading.  joshcryer   Apr-19-10 03:44 AM   #22 
                 - Either way, it's happening, so unless you think derisive forum posts are relevant...  joshcryer   Apr-19-10 03:44 AM   #23 
                 - Where do you get half a trillion from? Reactors are $6B to $8B.  Statistical   Apr-19-10 07:29 AM   #26 
                    - Public non-profits run by Nuclear Energy Institute Board Members, you mean?  kristopher   Apr-19-10 01:06 PM   #27 
  - The number of "renewables will save us" advocates who can tell the difference between peak power...  NNadir   Apr-17-10 03:42 PM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-17-10 03:56 PM   #4 
  - Would you rather we not have this added 44.8 GWs at all?  Ready4Change   Apr-18-10 12:55 PM   #18 
     - Bull. When a combined cycle dangerous gas generator or a filthy coal plant  NNadir   Apr-18-10 09:55 PM   #19 
  - Only coal shills would unrec this.  bananas   Apr-17-10 04:44 PM   #5 
     - yup - or shills of the fictitious fraudulent made-up New Jersey Molten Salt Breeder Reactor  jpak   Apr-17-10 04:47 PM   #6 
     - All disruptive and misleading posts deserve an unrec.  joshcryer   Apr-17-10 08:58 PM   #10 
        - I can understand the "disruptive" part (rain on the pro-nuke parade - waah) but what was misleading?  jpak   Apr-18-10 08:00 AM   #13 
           - One year doesn't make a trend. You sound like a climate denalist.  Statistical   Apr-18-10 09:49 AM   #14 
           - And how many reactors will be retired in each of these years? Forgot that term of the equation- huh  jpak   Apr-18-10 09:53 AM   #15 
              - Nuclear + Solar + Wind + Efficiency will save us.  Statistical   Apr-18-10 09:58 AM   #16 
                 - You cut me to the quick :( Bcuz I actually DO gve a flying fuck about the rat's ass  jpak   Apr-18-10 10:10 AM   #17 
                 - Psst: You forgot Hydro  AtheistCrusader   Apr-19-10 01:09 AM   #20 
                    - Ehh, hydro is at max in this country  Confusious   Apr-19-10 02:26 AM   #21 
                    - Yeah I did forget Hydro however Hydro won't be expanding in this country.  Statistical   Apr-19-10 07:24 AM   #25 
           - If your OP did include that POV then it would not have been misleading.  joshcryer   Apr-19-10 03:50 AM   #24 

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