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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-11-10 12:32 PM
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6. "The term clean coal is simply dishonest."
Yes, it gives a false impression, through over-simplification.

Of course, this is also true of the way "Nuclear Power" is presented:

But to create more of these clean energy jobs, we need more production, more efficiency, more incentives. And that means building a new generation of safe, clean nuclear power plants in this country. (Applause.) It means making tough decisions about opening new offshore areas for oil and gas development. (Applause.) It means continued investment in advanced biofuels and clean coal technologies. (Applause.) And, yes, it means passing a comprehensive energy and climate bill with incentives that will finally make clean energy the profitable kind of energy in America. (Applause.)


Fans of nuclear power are wont to point out that a relatively small mass of fuel is used, producing a relatively small amount of waste, compared to coal.

Uranium (like coal) is mined. Unlike coal (however) uranium is generally found in very low concentrations, so to recover those small amounts of fuel, very high volumes of ore must be mined, and similar mining methods are used, and the mined ore must be processed, resulting in large amounts of waste/tailings. /

"Nuclear Power" is not as dirty as some of its opponents suggest, but to call it "clean" is well... "simply dishonest." High-level waste is only one of the many problems nuclear power has.

Don't get me wrong. In my opinion, the sooner we stop burning coal, the better. However, I'm not crazy about burning uranium either.
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  -'Clean Coal' - Fact Or Fiction Bobbieo  Apr-11-10 01:01 AM   #0 
  - yes, it's a fiction.  PDJane   Apr-11-10 01:07 AM   #1 
  - I haven't seen any evidence for clean coal.  Ozymanithrax   Apr-11-10 01:30 AM   #2 
  - No such thing.  joshcryer   Apr-11-10 04:37 AM   #3 
  - Why is everything either "black" or "white" is so many people's eyes?  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 09:39 AM   #4 
  - I would have less of a problem with it if they called it "low carbon coal".  Statistical   Apr-11-10 09:43 AM   #5 
  - "The term clean coal is simply dishonest."  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 12:32 PM   #6 
     - You seem like a fair minded person I just think you are not comprehending the scale.  Statistical   Apr-12-10 08:38 AM   #33 
  - Eliminating coal overnight was never the point.  wtmusic   Apr-11-10 01:11 PM   #8 
     - You've missed the point entirely  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 01:28 PM   #9 
        - Thanks for the coal lobby POV, and the kindergarten primer on CCS  wtmusic   Apr-11-10 01:38 PM   #11 
           - Sure, EDF is in the pocket of "Big Coal"  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 01:58 PM   #13 
              - You mean The Union of Concerned Scientists, whose president isn't a scientist?  wtmusic   Apr-11-10 02:04 PM   #15 
                 - And (naturally) the IPCC is on the take as well. (Right?)  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 02:23 PM   #18 
                    - No, climate change skeptics use data that's five years old  wtmusic   Apr-11-10 02:46 PM   #19 
                       - That's why organizations are calling for full-scale R&D efforts  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 02:49 PM   #20 
                          - Or we could invest in technologies which show promise.  wtmusic   Apr-11-10 02:56 PM   #21 
                             - Then we're at an end  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 03:09 PM   #22 
                                - Hansen only believes in agricultural CCS as a temporary fix  wtmusic   Apr-11-10 03:19 PM   #23 
                                   - You're misrepresenting Hansen's position  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 03:33 PM   #24 
                                      - From 2008 - his position has changed considerably since  wtmusic   Apr-11-10 03:39 PM   #25 
                                         - Here's your quote  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 04:26 PM   #26 
                                            - I owe you one. nt  wtmusic   Apr-11-10 04:27 PM   #27 
                                            - I think his stance is a bit more nuanced than that quote suggests  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 05:03 PM   #29 
                                            - He is very hard line about coal, and he believes we have only a few decades to do it.  joshcryer   Apr-11-10 04:44 PM   #28 
                                               - Right, I realize this  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 06:21 PM   #30 
                                                  - Yeah, I read that, I've read all of his papers.  joshcryer   Apr-11-10 07:13 PM   #31 
                                                     - OK, that's not how I read it  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-12-10 08:11 AM   #32 
  - Fiction.  wtmusic   Apr-11-10 01:07 PM   #7 
  - I believe you misread the column  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 01:37 PM   #10 
     - Nope.  wtmusic   Apr-11-10 01:40 PM   #12 
        - I suspect he understands the IGCC process  OKIsItJustMe   Apr-11-10 02:03 PM   #14 
           - He's made it very clear he doesn't understand the process.  wtmusic   Apr-11-10 02:07 PM   #16 
  - What about the process of exctracting coal?  tinrobot   Apr-11-10 02:17 PM   #17 
  - It's a misleading label.  Ready4Change   Apr-13-10 05:49 PM   #34 

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