Reply #9: If consumers do not take the brunt of the costs, then nothing will be achieved.

[joshcryer]

You cannot deny that we are not on track to stem emissions before 2.0C, indeed, you, being the big expert you are, won't even touch it when I ask you what you think. You "won't speculate." It's not speculation to look at emissions, count how long we have until we guarantee ourselves 2.0C, and then determine what level of phaseout is necessary to get us there. Indeed, the status quo lives by the mantra "reduce some now, do the rest later." But reports that look at this strategy determine that it simply isn't enough.

All of the corporations in the world could be 100% zero emissions for in-house CO2 utilization (Wal-Mart could buy all clean energy, for instance; coal power companies could have solar panels powering the lights inside the power plant, etc), and it would simply not make a dent in all of the consumer-related CO2 that is emitted.

Hansen is correct that 2.0C is upon us unless we make dramatic moves today. Saying he is not is ignorance and stupidity.

Feel free to indicate what papers you've authored.