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Mon Nov-16-09 10:40 PM
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| 12. Why should it have to wait? For communities with full capacity, stop using fossil fuels. |
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For communities without it, use what is available. It should be whole communities simply stopping the fossil fuel addiction, imo. It seems silly to me to have a big ass windfarm and instead of spending the billion or so more to install a load balancing system right along side it you opt to instead build the natural gas balancing plant.
Also, your lower bounding for natural gas emissions I believe isn't fair, because it's not considering the infrastructure that simply having it around supports, such as millions of tonnes of CO2 emissions for simple home heating and cooking. This again relates to the "dominate paradigm" that I believe Jacobson was discussing. "We use natural gas thus we have to use it."
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eppur_se_muova |
Nov-15-09 04:01 PM |
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I personally doubt they'll succeed on any significant level, but it's better than natural gas. |
joshcryer |
Nov-15-09 10:34 PM |
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So you support coal... |
kristopher |
Nov-15-09 10:47 PM |
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Nope, I am against all emissions. |
joshcryer |
Nov-15-09 11:02 PM |
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Me too |
Nederland |
Nov-16-09 12:48 AM |
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Except for waste heat and water vapor, of course. :) |
joshcryer |
Nov-16-09 02:07 AM |
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Then why are you promoting choices for higher levels of emissions |
kristopher |
Nov-16-09 01:25 PM |
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I prefer fossil fuel production be expensive. Tax the fuck out of it. |
joshcryer |
Nov-16-09 04:25 PM |
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Good idea |
Dead_Parrot |
Nov-16-09 04:30 PM |
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Since that isn't going to happen, what is your plan B? |
kristopher |
Nov-16-09 04:59 PM |
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Well, since CO2 is going to be emitted by both natural gas and coal in increasing rates... |
joshcryer |
Nov-16-09 05:32 PM |
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We will be working on deploying that, however renewable generation can't wait... |
kristopher |
Nov-16-09 09:20 PM |
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Why should it have to wait? For communities with full capacity, stop using fossil fuels. |
joshcryer |
Nov-16-09 10:40 PM |
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Why should WHAT have to wait? |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 01:15 AM |
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You have to build one of the two: NG peaking plants or power storage plants. |
joshcryer |
Nov-17-09 02:15 AM |
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GET SOBER! |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 01:13 PM |
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No, you do *not* address why "future generation would have to wait" if you iavoided NG where.... |
joshcryer |
Nov-17-09 03:11 PM |
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Straw man arguments and ignorance are all you offer |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 04:47 PM |
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"renewable generation shouldn't have to wait for that future" why should it wait? |
joshcryer |
Nov-17-09 04:58 PM |
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Your question was already addressed dolt. |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 05:14 PM |
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You build the storage capacity as you build the renewable generation. Wow. Amazing. No waiting. |
joshcryer |
Nov-17-09 05:23 PM |
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Tell me something... |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 05:30 PM |
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Yep, market considerations rather than policy and people considerations. |
joshcryer |
Nov-17-09 05:37 PM |
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I'm in agreement with your priorities but that don't mean squat. |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 05:52 PM |
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Then you have given up and you have decided that we as a species should be in for some bad shit. |
joshcryer |
Nov-17-09 05:59 PM |
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No, I haven't given up |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 06:01 PM |
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We'll see how things pan out. |
joshcryer |
Nov-17-09 06:02 PM |
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"Too bad you'll be dead to see you fail." |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 06:05 PM |
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Oh yeah, on your second paragraph |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 01:54 AM |
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Where is the redesign? Most new power plants in the US are natural gas anyway. |
joshcryer |
Nov-17-09 02:21 AM |
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Maybe you're sober by now. (then again, maybe not) |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 01:07 PM |
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BEV load balancing is not proven and there's no telling how it will go. |
joshcryer |
Nov-17-09 03:14 PM |
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My conclusions have nothing to do with Jacobson. |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 04:45 PM |
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It is obvious you *can't* answer the question so you just *cut and paste* like some old fool. |
joshcryer |
Nov-17-09 04:59 PM |
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Your "question" was already addressed |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 05:16 PM |
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It wasn't answered. Given that you don't plan to answer it, I will ignore further copy-pastes. |
joshcryer |
Nov-17-09 05:23 PM |
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You are the person who can't read the answer when it is put in front of them repeatedly. |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 05:33 PM |
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No, actually, you only gave a credible answer just up thread. Finally. You take a position. |
joshcryer |
Nov-17-09 05:37 PM |
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Your opinion is worthless. |
kristopher |
Nov-17-09 05:52 PM |
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DU GrovelBot |
Nov-17-09 05:37 PM |
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