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malakai2 Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 06:02 PM
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7. No till was all the rage back before mechanized farming
Now people have this tendency to think we've just discovered no till, and everyone uses it. Truth is, farmers gave it up when they discovered they could plow from fence to fence, and when drain tile was introduced, they used that too. Truth too...up here in the northern plains, a lot of farmers DON'T use no till because exposed topsoil absorbs more solar energy and warms up faster in the spring. It's also easier to dispose of liquid manure by discing it into the field...well, it's either that, or face fines and jail time for applying it on the surface or volatilizing it. They're still plowing up virgin prairie in the Dakotas, and I don't care what metric you are using, those patches of soil are worse off under wheat and the associated pesticides than they are under native grass and forbs-or CRP mixes. Conversion to cropland impacts lots of other things on a landscape scale, from loss of breeding habitat for grassland birds, to lowering of the water table and drying of nearby wetlands, to pesticide drift onto nearby wildlife habitat, all the way down to pesticide contamination of aquifers and waterways to which the contaminated aquifers discharge.

You can compare a host of conditions from 1804 to conditions in the 1930s, 1970s, 1980s, and today, and track a whole host of unfavorable changes over time. Increased CRP acreage was one of the few positive changes since the 30s. Was.
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  -3.4 Million Acres Gone From CRP Since September - Much Being Plowed In TX, KS, CO, Dakotas hatrack  Nov-04-09 05:10 PM   #0 
  - I did my graduate research on CRP land  mattvermont   Nov-04-09 06:12 PM   #1 
  - I feel the same thing from time to time  malakai2   Nov-04-09 09:26 PM   #2 
  - Not to mention the elms and the chestnuts  XemaSab   Nov-06-09 03:33 PM   #12 
     - I was thinking more like Into the Wild  malakai2   Nov-06-09 06:12 PM   #13 
  - Henslow's Sparrows  XemaSab   Nov-06-09 03:32 PM   #11 
     - of course, you are correct  mattvermont   Nov-07-09 03:50 PM   #14 
     - Can't believe I sped right past that one  malakai2   Nov-07-09 07:38 PM   #16 
        - Oh, sorry, I didn't mean it as a correction  XemaSab   Nov-07-09 07:46 PM   #17 
  - But, we dump Trillions into the Rat Hole Military Industrial Complex  formercia   Nov-05-09 05:44 AM   #3 
  - The return in value is identical to the split in wealth, IMO.  glitch   Nov-05-09 10:09 AM   #4 
  - Yes, but we forget the most important lessons every 75 years or so.  phantom power   Nov-05-09 10:13 AM   #5 
  - actually, we have learned  zbikerwy   Nov-05-09 10:29 AM   #6 
  - No till was all the rage back before mechanized farming  malakai2   Nov-05-09 06:02 PM   #7 
  - In what world does plowing up millions of acres of prime wildlife habitat not hurt the environment?  NickB79   Nov-06-09 10:19 AM   #9 
  - food prices, are too low or too high?  excess_3   Nov-06-09 02:32 AM   #8 
  - the problem is that  mattvermont   Nov-07-09 03:56 PM   #15 
     - food and fuel have become the same thing  excess_3   Nov-08-09 03:08 AM   #18 
  - Intensive farming of marginal land  pscot   Nov-06-09 03:23 PM   #10 
 

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