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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 01:13 PM
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49. I supplied it above
Edited on Wed Aug-19-09 01:23 PM by OKIsItJustMe
However:
http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/fuel-cell-comp...


Added Bonus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_FCX#2006_FCX_concept


According to Honda, the new fuel-cell stack is 20% smaller, 30% lighter and has a higher output of 100 kW (136 PS; 134 bhp) . The new powerplant is 180 kg lighter, 40% smaller in volume and has a high energy efficiency of 60%, compared with 20% for most internal combustion engines, 30% for most hybrid powerplants and 50% for the previous generation FCX.



http://world.honda.com/FCXClarity/concept/stack/index.h...
The new V Flow FC Stack features a revolutionary cell structure in which hydrogen and air flow vertically rather than horizontally. Producing a high-energy output of 100kW, the new fuel cell stack is dramatically lighter and more compact that its predecessor, with a 50% improvement in output density by volume, and a 67% increase in output density by mass. Moreover, the fuel cell system is 65% more compact, with a one-box construction replacing the two-box construction. Rather than under the floor, the fuel cell stack is positioned in the central tunnel, allowing for a low floor and low overall height.


http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/fuel-cell-evol...


To develop a fuel cell vehicle worthy of the Honda name, our engineers worked tirelessly to ensure that the FCX Clarity was:
  • Safe for the public
  • Operable in freezing weather
  • Able to drive a reasonable range before refueling
  • Easy to refuel
  • Sporty and fun to drive
  • Spacious and comfortable
Each generation of the FCX Clarity has brought Honda closer to achieving these goals, and we are proud to introduce the FCX Clarity to the world.

Since the first Honda fuel cell vehicle was unveiled in 1999, dramatic changes have taken place in rapid succession. The fuel cell stack in the 1999 vehicle was very large and bulky. By developing and working to perfect our own Honda Fuel Cell (FC) stacks, Honda has made them significantly smaller and lighter. As a result, the design of the vehicle itself has also gone from tall and boxy to sleek and elegant with a roomy and comfortable cabin.

Honda has brought the fuel cell vehicle from the lab to the fleet and finally to the public. The major barrier now is building up the hydrogen supply infrastructure. We have a strong interest in this area as well and we are hard at work perfecting a Home Energy Station that may supply power to the home in addition to the family car. With these developments, Honda is paving the way for a clean and efficient hydrogen-based society of the future.


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  -Honey, I shrunk the fuel cell! Next-gen GM hydrogen stack gets small wtmusic  Aug-17-09 10:35 AM   #0 
  - Platinum-free fuel cell promises cheap, green power  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 11:35 AM   #1 
  - We have here lots of promises, but almost no delivery.  NNadir   Aug-18-09 01:14 AM   #23 
  - Commercial hydrogen is not electrolysed. It's "cracked" from fossil fuels.  TheMadMonk   Aug-17-09 11:45 AM   #2 
  - Except when it's electrolyzed  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 11:52 AM   #4 
     - I'd also suggest you read the first bloody line of a post before...  TheMadMonk   Aug-17-09 07:35 PM   #11 
  - Brown Chemists Create More Efficient Palladium Fuel Cell Catalysts  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 11:47 AM   #3 
  - This is a bit dated...  kristopher   Aug-17-09 12:47 PM   #5 
  - Yes, it's dated and slanted  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 01:01 PM   #6 
     - Slanted?  kristopher   Aug-17-09 02:30 PM   #7 
     - Are you including compression and hydrogen infrastructure  wtmusic   Aug-17-09 05:16 PM   #8 
        - Clearly, I was not  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 06:52 PM   #9 
           - You need to achieve more than a 200% increase in overall efficiency.  kristopher   Aug-17-09 07:06 PM   #10 
              - Actually I don't need to achieve anything  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 09:06 PM   #12 
                 - Refilling your car when you return in the evening?  wtmusic   Aug-17-09 09:44 PM   #13 
                 - You're right of course  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 10:05 PM   #14 
                    - Finally, we agree on something.  wtmusic   Aug-17-09 10:32 PM   #16 
                       - Yeah… I guess GM and the oil companies did them in. Huh?  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 11:33 PM   #20 
                          - No, just bad engineering and pie in the sky thinking.  wtmusic   Aug-17-09 11:42 PM   #21 
                 - Hydrogen is simply another convenient storage medium for electricity?  kristopher   Aug-17-09 10:25 PM   #15 
                    - If you repeat yourself enough times, I may agree  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 11:12 PM   #17 
                       - So, batteries are "only" 160% more efficient than fuel cells, rather than 300%?  NickB79   Aug-17-09 11:18 PM   #18 
                       - Bad math  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 11:21 PM   #19 
                          - Try 200% more efficient.  wtmusic   Aug-17-09 11:56 PM   #22 
                             - So, I guess you didn't bother to read what I'd written then  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 07:35 AM   #26 
                                - When you're just plain wrong (you are)  wtmusic   Aug-18-09 09:32 AM   #34 
                       - I'm surprised this is important enough to you  kristopher   Aug-18-09 01:59 AM   #24 
                       - Pleaase, point out the flaws  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 07:37 AM   #27 
                          - Efficient enough for what?  kristopher   Aug-18-09 08:43 AM   #29 
                          - "the fact is that they are not the right tool for that job, not now and not in the near term future"  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 09:12 AM   #31 
                          - What do you mean "pursue"?  kristopher   Aug-18-09 09:19 AM   #33 
                             - The DoE has (in effect) said fuel cells not viable in the short term, so we have higher priorities  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 03:27 PM   #36 
                                - That isn't what he said.  kristopher   Aug-18-09 04:21 PM   #38 
                                   - (Naturally) I disagree  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 04:36 PM   #39 
                                      - "If that isn't conspiratorial, what is it?"  kristopher   Aug-18-09 05:11 PM   #41 
                          - More careful reading  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 10:03 AM   #35 
                          - Why is it important to me?  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 08:53 AM   #30 
                             - That's right.  kristopher   Aug-18-09 09:16 AM   # 
                                - OK, let's look at those numbers for a moment  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 04:15 PM   #37 
                                   - You have GOT be fucking kidding...  kristopher   Aug-18-09 05:05 PM   #40 
                                      - I know, if I agree with you, I have integrity  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 05:15 PM   #42 
                                         - It isn't agreement or disagreement that is the issue.  kristopher   Aug-18-09 07:19 PM   #43 
                                            - I'm sure you see it that way  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 08:32 PM   #44 
                                               - Hmmm  kristopher   Aug-18-09 09:13 PM   #45 
                                                  - I see, you're back to repeating yourself again  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 09:42 PM   #46 
                                                  - Sure.  kristopher   Aug-18-09 09:52 PM   #47 
                                                  - He does that  Nederland   Aug-19-09 02:46 PM   #50 
                       - You may want to bookmark this link  kristopher   Aug-18-09 02:54 AM   #25 
                       - Please follow this link (I supplied it in post #17)  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 07:39 AM   #28 
                       - where do you see, 60% efficiency?  excess_3   Aug-18-09 10:18 PM   #48 
                          - I supplied it above  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-19-09 01:13 PM   #49 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-18-09 09:16 AM   #32 
 

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