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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:01 PM
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6. Yes, it's dated and slanted
For example, the current fuel cells in Honda's FCX Clarity are already 60% efficient.
(We're not talking about MIT lab results, these are fuel cells being driven in cars.)

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/fuel-cell-comp...
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  -Honey, I shrunk the fuel cell! Next-gen GM hydrogen stack gets small wtmusic  Aug-17-09 10:35 AM   #0 
  - Platinum-free fuel cell promises cheap, green power  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 11:35 AM   #1 
  - We have here lots of promises, but almost no delivery.  NNadir   Aug-18-09 01:14 AM   #23 
  - Commercial hydrogen is not electrolysed. It's "cracked" from fossil fuels.  TheMadMonk   Aug-17-09 11:45 AM   #2 
  - Except when it's electrolyzed  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 11:52 AM   #4 
     - I'd also suggest you read the first bloody line of a post before...  TheMadMonk   Aug-17-09 07:35 PM   #11 
  - Brown Chemists Create More Efficient Palladium Fuel Cell Catalysts  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 11:47 AM   #3 
  - This is a bit dated...  kristopher   Aug-17-09 12:47 PM   #5 
  - Yes, it's dated and slanted  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 01:01 PM   #6 
     - Slanted?  kristopher   Aug-17-09 02:30 PM   #7 
     - Are you including compression and hydrogen infrastructure  wtmusic   Aug-17-09 05:16 PM   #8 
        - Clearly, I was not  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 06:52 PM   #9 
           - You need to achieve more than a 200% increase in overall efficiency.  kristopher   Aug-17-09 07:06 PM   #10 
              - Actually I don't need to achieve anything  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 09:06 PM   #12 
                 - Refilling your car when you return in the evening?  wtmusic   Aug-17-09 09:44 PM   #13 
                 - You're right of course  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 10:05 PM   #14 
                    - Finally, we agree on something.  wtmusic   Aug-17-09 10:32 PM   #16 
                       - Yeah… I guess GM and the oil companies did them in. Huh?  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 11:33 PM   #20 
                          - No, just bad engineering and pie in the sky thinking.  wtmusic   Aug-17-09 11:42 PM   #21 
                 - Hydrogen is simply another convenient storage medium for electricity?  kristopher   Aug-17-09 10:25 PM   #15 
                    - If you repeat yourself enough times, I may agree  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 11:12 PM   #17 
                       - So, batteries are "only" 160% more efficient than fuel cells, rather than 300%?  NickB79   Aug-17-09 11:18 PM   #18 
                       - Bad math  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-17-09 11:21 PM   #19 
                          - Try 200% more efficient.  wtmusic   Aug-17-09 11:56 PM   #22 
                             - So, I guess you didn't bother to read what I'd written then  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 07:35 AM   #26 
                                - When you're just plain wrong (you are)  wtmusic   Aug-18-09 09:32 AM   #34 
                       - I'm surprised this is important enough to you  kristopher   Aug-18-09 01:59 AM   #24 
                       - Pleaase, point out the flaws  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 07:37 AM   #27 
                          - Efficient enough for what?  kristopher   Aug-18-09 08:43 AM   #29 
                          - "the fact is that they are not the right tool for that job, not now and not in the near term future"  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 09:12 AM   #31 
                          - What do you mean "pursue"?  kristopher   Aug-18-09 09:19 AM   #33 
                             - The DoE has (in effect) said fuel cells not viable in the short term, so we have higher priorities  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 03:27 PM   #36 
                                - That isn't what he said.  kristopher   Aug-18-09 04:21 PM   #38 
                                   - (Naturally) I disagree  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 04:36 PM   #39 
                                      - "If that isn't conspiratorial, what is it?"  kristopher   Aug-18-09 05:11 PM   #41 
                          - More careful reading  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 10:03 AM   #35 
                          - Why is it important to me?  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 08:53 AM   #30 
                             - That's right.  kristopher   Aug-18-09 09:16 AM   # 
                                - OK, let's look at those numbers for a moment  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 04:15 PM   #37 
                                   - You have GOT be fucking kidding...  kristopher   Aug-18-09 05:05 PM   #40 
                                      - I know, if I agree with you, I have integrity  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 05:15 PM   #42 
                                         - It isn't agreement or disagreement that is the issue.  kristopher   Aug-18-09 07:19 PM   #43 
                                            - I'm sure you see it that way  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 08:32 PM   #44 
                                               - Hmmm  kristopher   Aug-18-09 09:13 PM   #45 
                                                  - I see, you're back to repeating yourself again  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 09:42 PM   #46 
                                                  - Sure.  kristopher   Aug-18-09 09:52 PM   #47 
                                                  - He does that  Nederland   Aug-19-09 02:46 PM   #50 
                       - You may want to bookmark this link  kristopher   Aug-18-09 02:54 AM   #25 
                       - Please follow this link (I supplied it in post #17)  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-18-09 07:39 AM   #28 
                       - where do you see, 60% efficiency?  excess_3   Aug-18-09 10:18 PM   #48 
                          - I supplied it above  OKIsItJustMe   Aug-19-09 01:13 PM   #49 
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